Proposal : separated forum for trial user and licensed user?

as we knows there is a indirectly major boost up on 'conitec' marketing,what i mean is the 'bunnies' version a.k.a w*r*z,and some fellow on the forum have good tendency to track this down,so far i see it's cowbanga and rei_ayanami,but yeah it would completely nagging for us to ask the user which version do their running,for the real new licensed user would creating a new perspective that our forum are distrust,rude,insulting,etc,in other way conitec would be happy by the sales increase and on other hand it would pissed off the real new licensed user who doesnt aware of this issue.

so far that i learn from blitz3d and torque forum or any other company forum,they do have separated forum for licensed and trial user,to be honest i was using 'bunnies' version of torque,i was went to the forum and asking some question,at somepoint they forum user said that i need a valid license before i can access the thread to the answer of my qustion,at these point after i really believe that i do need to purchase the license i bought it because i don't have a choice other than this.

The user intention as forum user and licensed user are good,because as we know sometime the error that user get either real bug or from this 'bunnies' version,by separating this forum it would be easier for us to just directly focus on answering the user's question or tracking the bug.

regards,

alpha12

Where will the lite-c free (not a trial, but not a full version either) programmers go?

IMHO, anywhere/everywhere.
Lite-c free IS a legal (if somewhat limited) version, so its users are entitled to post regarding anything lite-c free supports.

But if they try to get help on something that lite-c free DOESNT support, then they should be
to be willing to "admit" to what version they are running, because it IS important information
for the problem-solving process. There is no shame in using Lite-C free. We are not racists 'commercialist's.

If they simply say "lite-C free" to any "what version" question, it will stave off any "anti-warez" attacks.
And if they have gone beyond the limits of lite-c free's capabilities, then someone will simply tell them that,
without the anti-warez flame attack.

As far as I understand you, you would ask about the username and passwort from the A7 license.
Good Idea !

BUT

I, as an example, work together with sPIKe, I don´t own A7 - only lite-C free. I even use Shader, I can´t see them and have to programm them for testing out, but I even have Questions to them. So, I not allowed to ask - Must sPIKe ask than? He can´t programm, so it would be very dumb.

Rei

You could always hire a shader programmer .

I think our community is an attractive part of the A7 package, and so users shouldn't be restricted from posting here. Even users who haven't gotten their hands on it yet will want to be able to ask questions.

The licensed users are much less likely to browse the forums available to the unlicensed users, I think, and thus unlicensed users won't get as much out of the forums.

IMHO, we just need a way to encourage people asking questions to accompany their questions with their version number and edition, because as new features come out those details are relevant anyway.

Jibb

EDIT/PS: It's quite impressive that you write shaders without a shader-supporting edition!

I don´t write them xD - only bind them etc. - but I think i´ll buy A7 com and than i programm than myself.

I'm working as a bunnies hunter because i really don't like people that gets something for free while WE work hard in the real life to gain pennies for Gamestudio.

Alright, alpha12.
Let's say you're JCL. You're working for over 10 years to develop Gamestudio. You're working very hard to see the users' Bug reports and Wishlists AND developing Gamestudio at the same time.

And you saw someone who hacked your 10 years hard work for NOTHING!!!

Now back to yourself. Let's say you finished developing an AAA game (Like Crysis, FareCry, Sims etc...) and Bingo!! You saw someone made a crack for your game. You paid thousands for publishing/developers/designers/testers etc...
Are you gonna be happy ans you'll say; "Nah, nevermind. I'll just wait until someone buy my game".

Maybe NO ONE would buy your cracked game and he'll say: "Alright, no one can see me. I'll download the little cute cheap crack and i'll simply hack that poor guy's game. Oh, and i'll try to enjoy as possible".

Got it??

Oh, and by the way, my nickname is Cowabanga, not Cowbanga.

Cowabanga I´m with you

You forget two important facts Cowabanga:
1. If a game is really as good as crysis or Far Cry it will bought.
2. Not everyone who load and crack a software would absolutly buy this software, if no crack are available. Some only test the software and would never buy it.

The thing is today its possible to load every game ever developed.
Games are very expensiv and become to be smaller, less extensive and have more and more bugs in it.
So I also load games sometimes. After I played a cracked game their follow one of two possible situation:
1. It is as good as CoD4 or GoW, you see the developers work and commitment, the story is good(and not only the graphic), the atmosphere and the game is just great, then I go to the next shop and buy the game to play it multiplayer (company of heroes) and support their work and maybe the next part of the game (GoW2, cod6).
2. I played the game for 10 minutes and recognized that the game isnt as good as I expected (like Prototype), it has no story, only a good graphic, a lot of bugs (gothic 3) or it is only beneath contempt.

I know that not everybody deals it that way. But remember fact 1.

but i think that this is only for games. 3dgs is a programm and it has a demo version. i think cod4 or so has no demo version, because of this everyone downloads the cracked version. but 3dgs has a demo version where you can count experience within 30 days. then you dont need to download the cracked version. they download the cracked version, because they are too lame to buy it.

in which line i said i didn't agree?if i didn't agree then i wouldn't make this proposal,by these we make the bunnies to appreciate conitec(support,product),the one i was said agree on is with Blink statement it does annoying to ask the user about version number.


Salam brother :),

i think you've been misunderstand me,and yes i was already KNEW what you mean,you need learn more about corporate business,in corporate, marketing not only viable by some 'normal' technique,i know some corporation release their own retail + 'crack' into the wild only to get the public attention because somehow normal marketing technique just doesn't work for them,this is what we called viral marketing,word by mouth marketing,this marketing technique more EFFECTIVE nowsadays because the people more believe the other/friends/family said about certain product other than commercial b.s in the tv/radio/internet.This is just basic reverse psychology of people's trust,people have more trust to those that are close to them.hopes you get the line.


I gave you an example here,if you study carefully the boost of current and past microsoft sales are mostly because of these(warez),the fact is before XP there is no such Public RC for past windows version,normally they just do internal quality test and then RTM,then Retail.In xp it's either they masses get the real RC or public RC,Now they do realize the power of viral marketing,by the increasing of information exchanging,a word or two poet in their commercial just don't do the boost,people just can't believe the word company said,normally the people will research mostly review or preview,microsoft need to gain the people trust directly.

If you have a mate in BIG computer magazine,you will know the stressful decision to writing the real truth without hurting the supplier,the same with warez,it just the same viral marketing with different approach,this concept playing with people's trust themselves,who is you trust most other than friends,families,wife?of course yourself,people MORE trust to buy something if they test themselves.ofcourse there is still cheap bastard that playing with pirate stuff until they die but still we can cut it from statistic percentages because of Conitec awesome protection!even tough the bastard using a7 they still cann't publish their games.

i never said in agreement i agrees with the bunnies,hopes you understand what i means.sorry for mistypos your nicknames.

nop i don't know about how (IF) the conitec gonna implementation authorization with their customer db,with php and some modding on UBB engine,or easier with per e-mail basis authorization,lol that strict shader is merely general question,AFAIK shader implementation in every engine mostly look a like.

it's not like what you think there is a zombie mod patrol scanning every people features and deleting every unappropriated questions.


thats where the mysterious comes in,what the purpose of unlicensed user seeing the licensed forum?it's like a kids who just need study primary school and looking at college books,pure useless.Of course the showcase,project or anyother appropriate forum can be opened to attract and show the user that we do have friendly community,and good product made by the user.

For example a commercial version bunnies 'owner' want to search about the some comm specific feature,then the check the forum suddenly the forum are not visible to him,because he is already sure the power of commercial,he choice to get the legit license to get the support.This is just basic corporate operation,after sales support,of course as this is a engine,the support line thats really counts not only the product quality.


for games i think it based on people preferences and system,last 1 year ago,who is gonna buy 3000$ rig just to be able to play crysis?(exclude some wall street trader+rich kids,etc)the upcoming dx11 and opengl 3,and the progress of new technology just greatly increasing every miliseconds starting to change people's trend for their gaming platform into console because of no-need to update their hardware to play new games,but hey who knows :),i mean if someone make statistic flash games vs crysis game played who is gonna have bigger number?but in general i like eye candy games,definetly gonna buy crysis and arma 2 :D(hey i never own the bunnies one of those :),just was once played on my friends pc)

What about asking a new user or guest their version number when they first sign in, and if it's not a legit version they can't use the forums. Should be simple enough to do.

But how would you check this? - They can easily create a new accout - and write another Version. You can see the actual version on the gamestudio site, right?

version number can easily faked or asked to original licensed user,i guess all of these matter get back into conitec on either they will or won't,how,when.i hope that what we've written here are the voice of forum user,but seem not,only less than 10 user give their comment here,well i guess it just what i hope could be a good intention from us as legit licensed owner to protect hard worked conitec work,more sales for conitec,mean (hopely!) more dev recruited by conitec, mean more features and fixes for us,hope to be some kind of mutual relationship to us(customer to company author) hey this is what we called business right?.

But afaik we see conitec has on going contract on 'big' project guess we should be get back to old way,hunting but with polite way?dunno,any mod have idea?

yes but in the process you annoy the crap out of people who are just trying to ask a question and those that want to answer.

Also as already mentioned, some people especially younger youth, and poorer users of software want to know what they are spending their money one and until lite-c free came around there wasnt any real way to test it for more than 30 days, and to be honest (ive admitted this before) back in the days of 6.22 I had a cracked version and was testing between this and a cracked version of darkbasic, if i had never done the i'd have bought darkbasic instead which is far inferior.

I'm not saying illegal behavior is ok, but I do say I'm not in such harsh condemnation of it in certain scenarios.

what if the bunny is planning to buy and some renegade bunny hunter (hey i just got a game idea) comes along and scares away bunny ,renegade bunny hunter just cost jcl a sale.

but dude, he still gets to be called the renegade bunny hunter so it doesnt matter what he does, he hunts bunnies, and looks badass doing it.

@lostclimate:
Wow. I never thought that posts hurts you. Are you fighting with posts every day??
Duh.

lol who the hell nicknamed warez uers 'bunnies'!? LOL its such a comical name!

I dont think separating the forum is a good idea. i was a guest before i actually joined, and the wealth of knowledge from the current users is what enticed me to join and buy. a bunch of non-licensed newbies in a forum by themselves can turn a forum into worthless posting. i think the "bunny hunters" here are doing a great job, and can keep the warezbunnies in check. we just have to continue to be dilligent about controlling warez users, without insulting members who aquired 3dgs legally. You guys are great, and very important to the forum, and i am proud to be a member. keep up the good work!

it doesnt hurt me, but it is annoying when i go to a post and someone doesnt know that their demo version is going to say pro, and someone asks what version they have for no other reason than to see whether it's warez or not, then they say they have 7.x pro which everyone assumes is warez, then there are like 30 posts about how it must be warez and how it must not. and by the time it is all done and over with, this guy with the trial doesnt want a7 anymore because the forum members only expiriences with him made them look like assholes and after it all, his question is still not answered.

well, honestly, it is up to the members whether they want to answer a question or not. seperating the guests and newbies from this forum wouldnt work, unless there were moderators for that forum who could answer all of their questions completely and accurately. That would be a job for the developers. i am sure jcl and staff are much too busy for that, and would eventually create a forum...oh wait, thats what we have here,lol. anyway, my point is, things are fine here. maybe as a community, we should create a group that notices the potential warez bunnies, then reports to moderators, who collectively decide a course of action. that means, no confrontations from other members! if this is a real issue, we have to be responsible and come up with a solution.

i dont think we need two forums either, but i also dont think we as customers should be responsible fore a solution either.