update to A4 pro
Posted By: er_willy
update to A4 pro - 01/28/06 11:34
I have the A4 commercial, but I have update to A5 and after to A6, but is possible get the A4 profesional?
how money?
I have some ideas for shareware games and wanna use A4 because the it uses DX7.
Posted By: ventilator
Re: update to A4 pro - 01/28/06 11:38
what does a4 pro offer compared to a5 com 5.24?
i think 5.24 uses directx7 too, still has the software renderer and is much nicer than a4 (scripting-wise,...).
Posted By: slacer
Re: update to A4 pro - 01/28/06 11:54
Well, it would be nice if we could use all versions below our current.
I own A6 Pro and could use A4 Pro - A6 Pro to reflect the client needs.
Long time ago I starded with A4 from Sybex but the restrictions with this old release were the main showstopper for me to even start using it for more than a month.
But the executables were sooooo small... 480 k for the exe alone
Posted By: er_willy
Re: update to A4 pro - 01/28/06 13:04
well, i wanna update to pro for close the resoruces and create more profesional look(windows starter) .
...I know what some programs "close" the resources but incluse my can "breaking"
a5 5.24 use dx7?
looking in my cds...
Posted By: slacer
Re: update to A4 pro - 01/28/06 13:39
Well,
1. you can open the resources you made with lower versions
2. you can simply copy your acknex.wdf created with the pro into the a4 folder...
Posted By: FBL
Re: update to A4 pro - 01/28/06 16:06
the wdf format indeed didn't change much since A3.
I was able to create a working (with A5.52) wdf file using wdfc.exe which came with A3 pro.
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Well, it would be nice if we could use all versions below our current.
I own A6 Pro and could use A4 Pro - A6 Pro to reflect the client needs.
Long time ago I starded with A4 from Sybex but the restrictions with this old release were the main showstopper for me to even start using it for more than a month.
But the executables were sooooo small... 480 k for the exe alone
I have to agree 100% with this statement.
It would be nice to have all Lower Engine of
the same Version.
It does not matter "WHY" If customers of Conitec want it....
It should be provided.
Look at other software comapanies there are many
that offer older version on their site or at least
on request.
Sure I would probally never downgrade to A4 Commercial
but I "Should have that as an option"
Also in rare cases
(such as my own)
they might even loose money
buy not offering it!
Beacause the fact is I Would buy only
buy A6 Pro if I had this as an option.
"As is" they will never get another penny! 
Just my thoughts.....
*** Teutonic Darkness ***
Posted By: FBL
Re: update to A4 pro - 01/28/06 21:50
I can understand why people want to use A5... but wanting A4 does not make much sense to me. It has the same requirements as A5.24, but a lot (a LOT!) less features!
Posted By: slacer
Re: update to A4 pro - 01/28/06 23:37
There is something called "mini games".
Those games are sometimes so small that you could send them per email, ...
Sometimes you just need an extra application to setup some options before you launch the main game. A4 is small enough.
Oh, do you remember MODEM or IPX support?... Yes, these things may be outdatet, but there are schools networks still using very ancient protocols on 10 MBit connections...
And ... NO! I would not permanently downgrade!
I would like to see it as an option to use it if I am in need to.
If I am not allowed to sell my older version - why should I not use it if it fits best to the problem?
Ok, I am not asking for myself...
-- slacer
Posted By: FBL
Re: update to A4 pro - 01/28/06 23:51
My A5 (A5.52 - 5.24 probably is smaller) executable is 800kb big. This is about 360kb more than A4. Now that can't be the reason.
What I want to say: You can use A5.24 as well. There are no disadvantages.
If they re-release A4... hell yes, why not. But I see no use in that.
About networking: A4 multiplayer was bugged and certainly has more problems running on 10 mbit than A5.
Posted By: slacer
Re: update to A4 pro - 01/29/06 00:14
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If they re-release A4... hell yes, why not. But I see no use in that.
About networking: A4 multiplayer was bugged and certainly has more problems running on 10 mbit than A5.
Gell, etwas an den Haaren herangezogen...
Well, I only know about those network options from my good old sybex paper manual...
Posted By: FBL
Re: update to A4 pro - 01/29/06 12:21
Nix an den Haaren herbeigezogen. A4 networking hatte nen üblen Bug, deswegen hab ich damals Netzwerksupport gestrichen, weil es nicht machbar war (Entities wurden falsch upgedatet und so Scherze).
Ich hab hier seit Jahren ein 10Mbit Netzwerk, es war nicht sonderlich gut spielbar auf den Clients (sehr sehr schwammig), und die Möglcihkeiten wie heute in A5/A6 gab es damals nicht.
Posted By: slacer
Re: update to A4 pro - 01/29/06 14:05
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Nix an den Haaren herbeigezogen.
Sorry, das war auf mein Beispiel bezogen 
Mir fiel einfach nix ein...
Posted By: Why_Do_I_Die
Re: update to A4 pro - 02/05/06 13:28
It does not matter "WHY" If customers of Conitec want it....
It should be provided.
Three crackheads asking for it doesnt constitude as the majority of Conitec's costumers (which is what u try and make it sound like) , so they dont really have to bring out any old releases , A6 is a much better engine , who in the planet is developing games for direct x 7 anyway ? DirectX is FREE so updating shouldnt be a problem with customers. Another question , what type of consumers are u targetting that are running computers that cant handle A6 ? Any cheap retarded computer you buy at the store will handle gamestudio , so my guess is there isnt a lot of people runing a pentium 2 nowadays. Most companies stop selling their old products because of the fact that once the new one is out , the old one would obviously have to sell for less , which if given the option to buy , many customers might opt for the cheaper , older version , and save some money , which would in turn lose money for the company.
I personally dont know what type of consumers you all are targetting , but everyone is always looking for the best and newest software they can get , not the old outdated one that can only make wolfestine 3d equivalent games. Btw , the Quake 1 and 2 engines are open source engines , you can use them for FREE to make your old games for old computers that have been recycled to make parts for new computers.
Posted By: Why_Do_I_Die
Re: update to A4 pro - 02/05/06 13:34
btw er_willy , why in the planet are u looking for A4 Pro to make shareware games , that itself is pure retardation , u can make shareware games with the standard version of gamestudio , who's gonna steal code from a game meant to be played by stay at home moms and senior citizens ?Your request is pure nonsence my friend , and the only reasonTeutonic Darkness supports you is because he's a gamestudio hippie stuck in the A4 years.
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It does not matter "WHY" If customers of Conitec want it....
It should be provided.
Three crackheads asking for it doesnt constitude as the majority of Conitec's costumers (which is what u try and make it sound like) , so they dont really have to bring out any old releases , A6 is a much better engine , who in the planet is developing games for direct x 7 anyway ? DirectX is FREE so updating shouldnt be a problem with customers. Another question , what type of consumers are u targetting that are running computers that cant handle A6 ? Any cheap retarded computer you buy at the store will handle gamestudio , so my guess is there isnt a lot of people runing a pentium 2 nowadays. Most companies stop selling their old products because of the fact that once the new one is out , the old one would obviously have to sell for less , which if given the option to buy , many customers might opt for the cheaper , older version , and save some money , which would in turn lose money for the company.
I personally dont know what type of consumers you all are targetting , but everyone is always looking for the best and newest software they can get , not the old outdated one that can only make wolfestine 3d equivalent games. Btw , the Quake 1 and 2 engines are open source engines , you can use them for FREE to make your old games for old computers that have been recycled to make parts for new computers.
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Three crackheads asking for it doesnt constitude as the majority of Conitec's costumers
Who cares if its a Majority.... If you don't want it don't use it.
Simple as that! If you look at other software you will see that
they do provide Earlier releases.
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A6 is a much better engine , who in the planet is developing games for direct x 7 anyway ? DirectX is FREE so updating shouldnt be a problem with customers.
Well speaking from personal experience... directX isn't really
the issue I can run directx 9c but I make games for
ealier versions directx and it is still compatable.
Besides What does updating Directx have to do with anything?
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what type of consumers are u targetting that are running computers that cant handle A6 ? Any cheap retarded computer you buy at the store will handle gamestudio
Computers that don't have "Advanced 3D Hardware".
In fact if it wasn't for my All in One Wonder Card....
I probally wouldn't even have anything but "Basic Video".
I can't Speak for everyone in the World or the majority
even.... but to me the "ASSUMPTION" That everyone will
go to the store and buy that New $200. Video card...
or spend an extra $100. just to play "your game"
in ABSURD! Or even worse that they will just get rid
of their computer and buy a new one!
Why Should they? It does Everything so far they needed
it for... So again Why should "your game" constitute them
going out and buying a new PC.
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the Quake 1 and 2 engines are open source engines , you can use them for FREE to make your old games
Why would I want to use anything like that when we have
Fully capable 3D Game Studio:
A5, A4, A3.
Would be kind of ABSURD for me to use anything less....
unless of course it isn't AVAILABLE;
Then maybe I would give those others some thought!
Also in the future I would advise you to be more careful
in your choice of words adressing certain people;
Then maybe the Moderator won't jump on you as
I'm sure he is about to do!
*** Teutonic Darkness ***
Posted By: ulillillia
Re: update to A4 pro - 02/06/06 07:41
Radeon 7000, an old ATI card for less than $30 nowadays, comes with DirectX 9. I know because I had one. It's a decent card for running simple games on or for those with almost no budget. I have Radeon 9600 XT myself of which is probably 18 months old or so (given the driver's date of July 2004 (the ones on the CD anyway)). Radeon 7000 is probably 3 or 4 years old. I'm unfamiliar with Nvidia's timeline so I don't know older Nvidia cards and what they have. When I had Radeon 7000, it ran A6 just fine (6.22 anyway, the last A6 version of running on the Radeon 7000. I might upgrade again, but this PCI-express thing is a limiting factor....
Look at the minimum system requirements on Conitec's main website. Even my 5-year-old computer could run it, but barely (except the video card). If all else, just run the engine with -w3d to minimize incompatibilities with old systems.
Posted By: Why_Do_I_Die
Re: update to A4 pro - 02/06/06 12:13
I remember being able to run blitz 2000 , mortal kombat 4 , unreal tournament , and a bunch of other games on my first sytem i had , an emachine 400 mhz celeron with 96 mb of ram , and an integrated 4MB ATI Rage Pro , and this was around 6 years ago , so even a system as old as that could prolly run gamestudio , specially of a game is a shareware type (this type of games arent generally too heavy on recources) , and MOST people buying games , even the casual ones , have better systems , who is selling 400 mhz systems with 4 mb video cards other than crackheads over at ebay ? So , unless your designing for underfunded schools in bad neighborhoods(even the schools have decent systems easily capable of running gamestudio) , or for thirdworld countries , I dont see why the old a5 software mode is a necessity.
Posted By: Why_Do_I_Die
Re: update to A4 pro - 02/06/06 12:18
Who cares if its a Majority.... If you don't want it don't use it.
Simple as that! If you look at other software you will see that
they do provide Earlier releases. , hmmmmmmmmmmmm , EVERYONE ?
u said it urself , if you dont want it dont use it , if gamestudio isnt offering the software mode in their current A6 version , thend dont use it , look for an engine that does offer it , simple as that. If I was conitec i'd sell u a version for 3 times the price of A6 , for making them go through the trouble of digging up a copy of it. btw , not many software companies offer older releases , in fact , most dont.
Posted By: ulillillia
Re: update to A4 pro - 02/06/06 12:42
It has been suggested several times by others to have A5 Pro available for sale (not not any lower A5 editions, whatever other editions there were for A5). I don't recall how Conitec was considering this (whether to actually sell it or deny it) so that part I can't answer. The closest you can get to software mode, as far as I know, is using the -w3d command line at engine start. This is for "weak 3D". I use it for my 2D game as I have no need for 3D elements (just my well-liked x÷z×(sw÷2) formula for calculating in 3D and panels with even more calculations involved). I don't know how to lock the engine in -w3d mode, but I've set it this way in WED's run dialog and SED's configuration.♫
Posted By: er_willy
Re: update to A4 pro - 02/06/06 17:50
1. hello
2. I wanna steal the code and art to you, not to the MILFS.
3. I wanna use A4 por vintage freaky reasons and for can use DX7.
4. The word is very great.
5. please, not spam the post the people what not know who work the shareware market.
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Who cares if its a Majority.... If you don't want it don't use it.
Simple as that! If you look at other software you will see that
they do provide Earlier releases. , hmmmmmmmmmmmm , EVERYONE ?
u said it urself , if you dont want it dont use it
If "You" wern't Being such a "Crackhead"....
you would have allready know I'm doing just
that allready.
I have been using A5 for Quite some time now..
Other than being a lower edition
A5 I'm Very, Very, happy with it!
Why do you even bother to post here if you
have nothing postive to say?
There are plenty of other threads ...
Why waste your time and ours?
After all its quite obvious to anyone who isn't a "crackhead"
that these threads are for PAST Versions!
Hmm
*** Teutonic Darkness ***
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Radeon 7000, an old ATI card for less than $30 nowadays, comes with DirectX 9. I know because I had one. It's a decent card for running simple games on or for those with almost no budget. I have Radeon 9600 XT myself of which is probably 18 months old or so (given the driver's date of July 2004 (the ones on the CD anyway)). Radeon 7000 is probably 3 or 4 years old. I'm unfamiliar with Nvidia's timeline so I don't know older Nvidia cards and what they have. When I had Radeon 7000, it ran A6 just fine (6.22 anyway, the last A6 version of running on the Radeon 7000. I might upgrade again, but this PCI-express thing is a limiting factor....
Look at the minimum system requirements on Conitec's main website. Even my 5-year-old computer could run it, but barely (except the video card). If all else, just run the engine with -w3d to minimize incompatibilities with old systems.
I'm sure thats perfectly fine for anyone planning to make a Game with
A6 and Target 3D Hardware Equiped computer.
My Back up computer Wont Even run A6 but A5 it handles nicely.
I would by no means consider it anywhere near being time
to retire it; As I can burn Cd, DvD, etc.
Still nobody seems to distinguish the differnce
on Could, and should.
EX: Assuming The customer CAN upgrade...
Should they have to? After all their computer works
just fine for all their other needs.
So they should upgrade just to play "your" GAME?
Well now that were on the subject.....
just About all my friends and Everyone (I know)
Dont even have an Advanced 3D Card....
they all just have basic video.
Really theres only 1 person I know that actually
went out and Bought a Advanced 3D Card.
And just for eveyone info... those commands for
A6 weak video don't work. They are bogus.
Only Software Emulation will work on Computers with
basic Video. Trust Me 
Man, I don't know anyone that doesn't have a videocard.
Although, having the old versions, just to mess around in would be fun. I'm not against that.
Posted By: PlayStefan
Re: update to A4 pro - 02/18/06 21:33
Hi, I´m new here and I have a question to 3D Game Studio 5. Sure, I know that this Thread doesn´t really deal with this version, but I search an update for my 3D GameStudio 5 Extra and I don´t really know where I could post this question, so I post it in that Thread because it deals with "updates".
So my problem is that I would like to update to Version 5.240 but I don´t know where I could find this Update (sure I have searched for it, but wasn´t successful) so could someone tell me, where I could find this update, does it still exists online? Please help me, if you can.
(Sorry for my strange english, I´m a stupid german, hope you understand my problem)
Posted By: Pappenheimer
Re: update to A4 pro - 02/18/06 22:04
Hi stupid german!
Geht es dir ausdrücklich um die 5.24, wegen dem Software Renderer?
Oder tut es auch eine höhere Version? Denn die gibt es sowohl auf der Download-Seite vom 3DGameStudio ganz unten als auch hier irgendwo im Forum.
Posted By: PlayStefan
Re: update to A4 pro - 02/18/06 22:08
Hi danke für die schnelle Antwort, nein, es wäre schon toll, wenn ich die Version 5.240 kriegen könnte, ich hatte die 5.5er mal druff, aber wie du schon sagtest, da fehlt der Software Renderer und bei 5.240 gibt es schon das neue Partikelsystem im Gegensatz zu Version 5... also Version 5.240 wäre schon cool...
Posted By: Pappenheimer
Re: update to A4 pro - 02/18/06 22:28
Tut mir leid!
Da kann ich dir nur empfehlen, einen eigenen Thread mit Überschrift "A5.24?" oder Ähnlichem zu eröffnen!
Einen eigen Thread eröffnest Du, auf Ebene der Forumsliste, wenn Du den Button "Post" drückst!
Vielleicht wird Jcl darauf aufmerksam und stellt die entsprechenden Links zur Verfügung.
Posted By: PlayStefan
Re: update to A4 pro - 02/18/06 23:06
Ok, danke für die Info!