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Strategies that shows decent result only on 1-2 assets? #437566
02/19/14 17:22
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As the headline says. Pretty often a strategy that I play with ends up performing kinda decent in example EUR/USD, but when I try other assets the result almost never looks as good.

I guess this is a flaw of the strategy. Do strategies really exists that only work with like 1 or 2 assets?

What I’m thinking is, let’s say that the market of the asset, which the strategy works good with, changes and become more like one of the assets that the strategy works poorly with.

Or is it just for me to drop it and try to find other edges to exploit?

Whats your thought in this matter?

Re: Strategies that shows decent result only on 1-2 assets? [Re: ibra] #437572
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@ ibra, I'm not an expert on zorro trading, but in automation, each pair has to be optimized separately. Especially when the ratio (the exchange rate) is significantly larger between pairs, i.e. difference between pairs (AUDCAD; NZDAUD) < (USDCAD; USDJPY).



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Re: Strategies that shows decent result only on 1-2 assets? [Re: Finstratech] #437575
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I know exactly what you're talking about ibra... in fact I am having that exact problem at the moment with a particular strategy I'm trying to design.

I'm not happy about it. I want to see a logic work across multiple pairs. I don't think I would trade it on only 1 pair.

Re: Strategies that shows decent result only on 1-2 assets? [Re: dusktrader] #437589
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Hi to you,

Thanks for replying. Well, at least it feels good I'm not completely alone on this one...

Re: Strategies that shows decent result only on 1-2 assets? [Re: ibra] #437617
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ibra,

Most assets perform differently due to the characteristics of the large players in the market, e.g. cable is notorious for stop hunting behaviour, because stg is not a huge currency, but the city of London, & London banks are very large and can get away with it at certain times. The carry trade is significant in some pairs, some currencies are strongly linked with commodity movements, AUD & XAU, CAD & Oil etc. Not to talk of long bias on equity indices, stocks etc., different seasonal & time of day effects.

I would not be overly concerned if a strategy only applied to a small few assets, so long as it makes sense, i.e. you can explain why it might work in one currency and not in the others. If you are trawling through strategies and happen to find one works on one currency only, without a reason why, it is much more likely to be a selection/data mining bias.

Given all the above, I'd be surprised if a strategy can be discovered that genuinely performs well across more than a handful of assets. Look at the zs: z5 only works on 1. z3 on 5. z1 & z2 with 11 are unusual, but in my time the number of assets in z1 and z2 has reduced.

Re: Strategies that shows decent result only on 1-2 assets? [Re: swingtraderkk] #437653
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Yes, I can confirm that. We had removed the USD/NZD out of Z1/Z2 last year because it stopped to be profitable. All currency markets are more or less correlated, but their inefficiencies can be very different.

Re: Strategies that shows decent result only on 1-2 assets? [Re: jcl] #437679
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@JCL, how can you tell when a strategy is not profitable anymore?

I guess it's pretty hard to find out.

Re: Strategies that shows decent result only on 1-2 assets? [Re: ibra] #437783
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This can not be told with 100% certainty. The simplest way is comparing the current drawdown with the simulation drawdown.

A more complex approach is discussed here:

http://mechanicalforex.com/2014/02/what-...ure-part-1.html


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