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Re: What if God was proven.
[Re: Michael_Schwarz]
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02/02/07 23:28
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What will you say to Him if you are wrong?
I would ask him Why should honest people go to the hell just because they did not beleive in You while You did your best to hide yourselves ?
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Re: What if God was proven.
[Re: AlbertoT]
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03/09/07 02:45
03/09/07 02:45
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Kinji_2007
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"Gimme a break.. I'm so sick of hearing how the olden day were so good. Ok, they were great if you like world wars, racism, Jim Crow, flu pandemics, lynchings, polio, measles, mumps, smallpox and pickled pig's feet. "
Do you watch the news? And what does illness have to do with the condition and morals of society as we know it?
War? Read the Bible.. it clearly says we will have "wars and rumors of wars". And the only reason your not concerned to much now is because Korea, China, Iran, etc has not developed the ignorance and gonads that the US has.
Racism? You keeping track of whats going on in the World? Its certainly not getting better.
Jim who? Can't say that I know him. If your looking for bad guys check the news for the guy that raped that 9 year old girl a few days ago.
Keeping it simple.. the condition of the world is not getting better. We are simply ok with things because "this" is all we know. (we meaning a younger generation)
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Re: What if God was proven.
[Re: Kinji_2007]
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03/09/07 04:50
03/09/07 04:50
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PHeMoX
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War? Read the Bible.. it clearly says we will have "wars and rumors of wars".
I could have predicted that too. Basically it's saying 'there may or may not be wars in the future', well duh..
Actually if you read the bible without bias then it's questionable if it really talks off the future as in 'our' future, or the future of already centuries ago, or even 'future' at all.
Personally I do not believe in the 'the bible (or nostradamus for all I care) predicted world war II'-crap, it's more a lucky guess or perhaps simply something quite inevitable. If something is so inevitable that it eventually will become true, then there's no point in assuming a certain prediction has come true when the prediction was very vague.
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Do you watch the news?
Yes and then what? News tends to focus on negative and shocking matters, is far from objective and doesn't quite is a good something to measure any social or moral decay. Sure, thefts, killings and wars may be something of an indication in a certain way, but our world's past was no different. Did wars really become larger? When it comes to absolute numbers of soldiers, yes. However relative is has not. It's probably true that there were more wars in the past, eventhough on a smaller scale than nowadays.
Cheers
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Re: What if God was proven.
[Re: Kinji_2007]
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03/09/07 14:38
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Kinji is right, morality is declining, but it seems to be a location-based decline. For example,(just using some random sins) baby-killing, homosexuality, murder, rape, etc. has increased in the US alone since the founding fathers in the 17th and 18th centuries. HOWEVER, those types of sins have existed for millenia, case and point being the warlike tribes of ancient civilizations who sacrificed their young and perfromed all manner of violent and sexual crimes.
So to make a long story short I kind of agree with you kinji, there have been certain moral declines in most civilized countries over the last century. However in the big picture sin has always existed in certain places among certain peoples and the reasons for these are far beyond the scope of a few paragraphs in these forums.
As far as the advancement of technology goes, Matt is right, with technology we live longer and have better lives, we are more productive and benefitted as a whole. Though I do sometimes wonder what the effect of an easier life will have on people who have not had to work for things. For example I think that all of this European socialism produces a kind of parasitic mentality upon the youth.
We have also advanced beyond slavery and other human rights issues.
But as a whole I agree with what I think Kinji's basic premise is that respect for elders and consequence for sin. And I agree that civilization is getting worse with respect to a lot of crime and morality issues.
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Re: What if God was proven.
[Re: NITRO777]
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03/09/07 21:40
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I really doubt if it's getting worse. I think part of what happens everywhere on this planet has it's roots in who we are. I'm not trying to talk things right, since they are not, but to say it's has gotten worse is something that's not quite possible to say based upon a general idea. To be honest, I think since there are more people on the planet than say a couple of hundred years ago, I think it's very possible this might be one of the main reasons why it seems like it's worse. If more people have to share a pie than there is pie, then at one point the inevitable will happen. You know, in the end we are still just like any other animal, morals or no morals. That's the problem with the lack of true equality. And before you think in the direction of racism, that's not what I meant. I meant purely situation-wise. Where you grow up defines your chances, things like that. Quote:
We have also advanced beyond slavery and other human rights issues.
Have we? Who's making our Nikey shoes then?
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Re: What if God was proven.
[Re: PHeMoX]
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03/09/07 23:10
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Have we? Who's making our Nikey shoes then?
Heh heh. LOL!
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If more people have to share a pie than there is pie, then at one point the inevitable will happen. You know, in the end we are still just like any other animal, morals or no morals.
Seemingly. From an evolutionists POV.
The present evil in our world, however, is much darker than jungle law.
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And before you think in the direction of racism, that's not what I meant. I meant purely situation-wise. Where you grow up defines your chances, things like that
I understand.
I think kinji is talking about the kind of integrity which makes a man either keep his word or die trying. You know. A world where some things are still sacred. Where you defend your friends and allies. Whether or not evil is on the decline or on the rise all the truly honourable institutions are indeed forsaken. There doesnt seem to be many people who even understand real justice, let alone stand up for it.
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A miserable man is, often, a cruel man simply because he must struggle for life
You got that right. However, cruelty is never excused.
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