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Re: Why do you belive/not belive in god?
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04/25/07 13:04
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Well, the fact that science has found no trace of god gives you the choice to believe in him or not - just as you want.
lol.
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Re: Why do you belive/not belive in god?
[Re: capanno]
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04/25/07 13:38
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lets stray way from the topic a little bit. some diggin into history provides us with the knowledge to know that there is no god. ill back that up, here we go... mostof you wont remember, but a few years ago, like thousand to twothousand or so, there were other cultures than nowadays. the greek, the rome culture and the nordics... now there were more sure, like the egypts and stuff... but they all hade one thing in common, despite their way to live, dress or belive: they had multiple gods... you surely have heard a few names. zeus, odin, thor, ares, anubis ect... actually, the only religion that ever had ONE god were the jews... or were they? research provides us with the answer, that the jews originated from other cultures and basically merged. they too had more gods, as based on the other cultures, and for easier understanding, they gave them a name that resembles them all: jehova. so basically, jehova is not THE god, but merely the term for "gods"... so waht happened? ever played silent letter? the game where you whisper your neighbor somethign into the ear, he whispers it to someone else and so on until the end somethign completely different comes out? exactly that happened... the GODS became GOD and sicne christianity is actually a cheap ripoff of the jewish religion, influenced by the norse culture something liek this had to happen... so basically, christianity as well as other religions i wont talk about here or else i have to fear a fundamentalist attack in my hometown is nothing more than an error that came to happen over time. belive it or not, thats scientific fact... the long version of why i dont belive in god
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Re: Why do you belive/not belive in god?
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The only rational approch is agnosticism Atheism and theism are emotional issues , in my opinion
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Re: Why do you belive/not belive in god?
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04/25/07 14:09
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The only rational approch is agnosticism Atheism and theism are emotional issues , in my opinion
Hey.. a fellow agnostic... ... sup?
Spike,
You needed a full post to discard Christianity? I can do it in 10 words: Talking snakes, stone-age dinosaurs, rainbow promises, gimme a break!
You explained why you don't believe in religions, but not why you don't believe in a God
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Re: Why do you belive/not belive in god?
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04/25/07 14:36
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The only rational approch is agnosticism
Okey, well you got me there I guess, you are right. I was thinking as atheists more along the lines of agnostics. I myself am probably more a agnostic-atheist ... I know and accept that it's impossible to really know, but I do think chances are extremely small a God or Gods exist.
I'm well aware that the lack of evidence, theoretically speaking, can still mean God exists, but by the overwhelming lack of it (lol) I highly doubt it, apart from all other errors, misunderstanding and ignorance common in most current day religions.
I also totally agree with Spike's statement on history and the evolution of religions. How can Christianity for example claim to be 'the one religion and only truth'? They can't.
Cheers
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Re: Why do you belive/not belive in god?
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04/25/07 21:19
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Well I dont think anyone really answered Spike's question except for jcl and perhaps Spike himself a little bit, (I think Julz also answered correctly)though even Spike violated his own rule about not speaking about whether God exists.
The reason that this question is interesting to me is because it addresses the roots of our worldview, instead of the branches of that worldview.
What I mean is that everyone gets an opinion about beleiving in God somewhere in their lives and they get this opinion BEFORE they start to amass evidence which supports their opinion. Everyone has a bias. I have talked online at talk.origins to scientists who freely admit that they didnt believe in God long before they got the phd's and the knowledge they have gained specifically about evolution in their field. So that really rules out any sort of objectivity. I also know many people that dont know much about the theory of evolution at all yet they persistently believe that it is true. So facts and evidences dont determine our beliefs, they only strengthen them.
So I would not answer this question with something like "I believe in God because I see it in the fabric of creation" or "I believe in God because some higher justice HAS to account for all the atrocities of this world". I wouldnt say those reasons because they are evidences of my belief, they are not what caused the belief to begin with. I believed in God well before I started to think of actual reasons why I believe in God. The belief in God preceded my "reasons" for believing in God because God pre-cedes and super-cedes reason itself.
So my main answer to the question is "I really dont know why I believe." It is a primal belief, very close to the root of who I am. I have always believed in God, I cannot remember a time when I did not. It is a belief which I had as a child and (subsequently) I see no reason for denying it.
I did not "fabricate" my belief in order assuage fears of the unknown,or for something to "hold on" to. I did not know what church was or traditional religion was when I was a child..., the belief has just always been with me.
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Re: Why do you belive/not belive in god?
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04/26/07 00:07
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[all opinions expressed in this post are simply OPINIONS!]
There is no god... There was a jesus christ, and he WAS a son of a non-existent god. HE DIED FOR NOTHING, but pride and fame. and you all live in his shadow. it's pathetic. Your crutch called religeon that gives you strength because you can forget your problems and pray that a savior will help you, but he won't! If this method works for you, then please, go for it. But don't be disapointed when theres nobody there...
You will hear nothihg but the echoes of silence in your head, blasphemy burnging into your tongue, the will of god stamped into your heart, and find nothing but lies. Believe in me, I'm the one that loves you...
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Re: Why do you belive/not belive in god?
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04/26/07 06:47
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Well I dont think anyone really answered Spike's question except for jcl and perhaps Spike himself....
I answered the question, and it is the only possible correct answer. JCL's answer is flawed because it implies that desire should influence assumption.
I dont believe in God (or gods) because there is no reason to do so. Nothing in the experience of life indicates that there is a supernatural supreme being. In fact all the evidence of observation reveals only natural processes. That doesn't disprove the existence of God, but you can't you disprove anything like this..
------------------------------------------------------------------------------ my opinion of God (which is irrelevant to the quesiton of belief):
If a supposed supreme being chose to reveal itself, I wouldn't be particularly interested in "worshipping" it, or "loving" it. Why would I? I would basically tell it to go jump in the lake because it is irrelevant to me. it amazes me that poeple care so much about God.. what good what it do you? What good is Heaven? What do you do there?
It's just not interesting, and frankly anyone who really wants this to be true is intellectually dull.
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Re: Why do you belive/not belive in god?
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04/26/07 11:11
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JCL's answer is flawed because it implies that desire should influence assumption.
But it does. Desire is the first cause of faith. People desired to be helped by a superior being, and to be rewarded in an afterlife. Thus Man created God.
I just have the advantage that my desire matches reason. The wishes of Atheists - that no god may exist - were fulfilled by God, who does them the favor not to exist.
This is unlike the wishes of Theists - that God may exist - which weren't answered by God so far. What can we conclude? God hates Theists, and loves Atheists.
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