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Re: Environment
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05/06/07 03:57
05/06/07 03:57
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Matt_Aufderheide
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This is a so obvious remark to be really silly
Do you expect that a "microbe like factory", at earth scale, can release a huge amount of emissions over time?
Again what does it matter how big the factory is? In any case its not just factories its millions of automobiles, trucks, ships, powerplants, etc...
The points is, you are simply saying becasue that to you it seems like too small an amount, its not possible. that isnt a good argument.
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Re: Environment
[Re: Matt_Aufderheide]
#128116
05/06/07 08:33
05/06/07 08:33
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Baunatal, Germany
Tobias
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i'm not sure what to say.. you cant use those kinds of "common sense" arguements to dispute actual science. (...) Why do people assume that they are qualified to judge a scientific theory if they really know nothing about it?
Thats a general problem with discussing scientific issues, many people do not know much about science and use "common sense" arguments. Like: it's common sense that the sun orbits the earth, every child can see that!
Still I think you can discuss science without being a scientist, but then everyone should take this a little more serious and inform himself about the issue.
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If you think Time Magazine is a science fiction book, you need to reasess your knowledge base.
In or around 1981 to 83, Time magazine did a huge feature on Rocket ships and their effects on the ozone layer, the figures were absolutly staggering.
Sure, my friend. But I guess it had to be Time magazine issue of 2081, today I'm afraid "rocket ships" are not invented yet.  But if you mean airplanes, yes they certainly have an effect on the ozone layer.
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Re: Environment
[Re: Tobias]
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05/06/07 09:06
05/06/07 09:06
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Really?, then whats those things that send people up to orbit to work on the space station? Arrows???
What are those things that transport and deliver warheads? stones???
Comon, what gives here? They are all powered by rocket engines, doesn't that make them 'Rocket Ships'?
He he he, theres more yet, what about the X series (Blackbirds) and so on...
How did Man get to the moon? Walk??? LOL.
Dont get me wrong here, I am not taking the mickey out of anyone but a little 'common sense' might be appropriate here.(gins...)
Mind you, it could have been National Geographic Magazine not Time as this was such a long time ago.
I am sure an archieval search would produce the issue I'm referring to and beleive it or not, it didnt even raise a stink at the time.
Heres something else thats wierd, major portions of the South Pacific ocean (where I live) do not have a mantle covering them! Where did it go?
All true blue and accessible to check out from news publications.
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Re: Environment
[Re: AlbertoT]
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05/06/07 10:06
05/06/07 10:06
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Munich, Germany
Robotronic
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I watched a talk show on television , yesterday night
Someone claimed that human beings are responsible for climatic changes on earth because of industrial pollution .
Someone else claimed that human impact is definitly negligible.
First of all a television debate would be boring, if there was a big consensus, so the media will tend to present you two sides - just for dramatic reasons - in order to make money.
Some say this, others say that, so what do we believe?
I can not claim to be an expert on climate change, but this was a very interesting article about the background of this debate:
The denial industry
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Re: Environment
[Re: Matt_Aufderheide]
#128120
05/06/07 11:37
05/06/07 11:37
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AlbertoT
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Again what does it matter how big the factory is? In any case its not just factories its millions of automobiles, trucks, ships, powerplants, etc...
I am astonished that you and other members can not grasp so a simple argument
First of all ,I repeat once again that it did not come out of my head , it is an opinion supported by many scientists, not all of course :
Human's impact on the global environment is negligible
However plaese take a breath before answering:
" Pouring a dose of poison in a glass of water , is it the same as pouring it in the Rio of Amazons ? "
I suppose it is evident that you must match the total pollution generated by industrialization and the dimension of the container you pour the pollution in
What does it mean , there are milions cars.... ?
Ok these milions cars and hundres factories are all inside a 0.5 cm circle,in our model !!!
Moreover there is definitly no evident link between climate and pollution
I repeat again, in the 60 - 70' ecologists were expecting a glacial era
If you go through the chronicles from middle age till nowdays you see hot and cold periods
That said I dont mean that such hypothesis is true but for sure is realistic
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Re: Environment
[Re: AlbertoT]
#128121
05/06/07 12:07
05/06/07 12:07
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Bielefeld, Germany
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Although, I've heard that scientists said that it isn't sure that the warming is caused by the pollution of the humans, I have to say that both is said about a future. That means you cannot say, it is right or wrong, but you have to say that it's probability is higher or lower. But, that means, as long as you can't be sure, if it is caused by us humans, you _must_ start counter-actions because of the big delay of the global results!
The other way round, as soon that get undeniable scientific results that this all is caused by humans, it is probably too late to start a correction at all.
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Matt mentioned a few of the polluters, let's add some others: _each_ human being makes fire with wood or similar things because of warming up food or heating the house, each cow and sheep emits methan which seems to be involved into this process, too.
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