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Kann es Evolution geben?????
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06/26/07 10:01
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da Evulution eine endlose Sache ist passt es ja viele Amerikaner sind davon überzeugt das sowas wie Evolution nie gegeben hat, sondern Gott hat die Welt erschaffen die Schöpfungslehre wird in Amerikanischen Schulen als eine der möglischen Anfänge gelehrt. wenn ihr mich fragt krank
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Re: Kann es Evolution geben?????
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06/26/07 16:35
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wenn gott sechs tage für die schöpfung gebraucht hat, kann er ja nicht all zu mächtig sein bzw unterliegt strikten gewerkschaftsbedingungen. in beiden fällen kratzt das am image. der unterschied ist doch glauben und wissen. die creationisten glauben an die schöpfungstheorie, die nicht creationisten wissen das es die evolution war cheers
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Re: Kann es Evolution geben?????
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06/26/07 17:01
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Wie lange dauert so ein Tag bei "Gott"? "Gott" hat wohl mehr als nur vier Dimensionen - da ist die Zeit sicherlich eine banale Nebensache...
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Re: Kann es Evolution geben?????
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06/26/07 17:05
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Wie lange dauert so ein Tag bei "Gott"? "Gott" hat wohl mehr als nur vier Dimensionen - da ist die Zeit sicherlich eine banale Nebensache...
Sehr gutes Argument ^^
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Re: Kann es Evolution geben?????
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06/26/07 19:59
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hm, naja. Finde die Frage etwas ungenau formuliert. Gibt es Evolution? Ja und nein ja, weil es Evolution, also Weiterentwicklung innnerhalb der Arten gibt. (vom Wolf zum Schäferhund o.ä.) Nein, weil ich glaube, dass es keine artenübergreifende Evolution geben kann. (vom "Fisch" zum Landtier. Da können meines erachtens auch die Jahrmillionen nichts dran ändern. Ich finde, dass das Gegenteil stattfindet. Statt dass die Arten sich weiterentwickeln empfinde ich eine art "Verwilderung" und "Zerstörung". Zumindest auf die Jahre gesehen, seit der Mensch lebt. Ich meine zu sehen, dass die Menschen immer anfälliger gegenüber Krankheitserreger, Schmutz und Pollen (mehr Allergiker) werden. In meinem gleichaltrigen Freundeskreis 20-25Jahre hat es weit aus weniger Allergiker als in dem Freundeskreis meiner Freundin(15-18 Jahre). In meinem Kreis haben manche Heuschnupfen, in ihrem gehts los mit Milch-, Nuss-, Soja-, Hausstaub- und Bienengiftallergie. Natürlich schließe ich nicht aus, dass es die "Evolution" gab, sehe aber ein göttliches Zutun als durchaus denkbarer und logischer, wenn man von der Komplexität der Natur aus geht, als eine rein von selbst startenden und sich selbst regulierenden Evolution. Um Ordnung zu schaffen brauch es doch eine höhere Intelligenz, als der, die im Chaos ist, oder? Schon wenn ich an meine Wohnung denke ohne mir(der höheren intelligenz, die aufräumt) würde die Wohnung imm er weiter vermüllen. Okay, ziemlich einfaches Beispiel. ich glaub ich geh jetzt besser schlafen, sonst schreib ich hier nur noch scheiße am laufenden Band. Aber nochmal auf meine Wohnung zurück: ein besseres beispiel ist der Schäferhund. Meint ihr, der hätte sich ohne das zutun vom Menschen (der höheren Intelligenz) "selbst enwickelt"? Wohl kaum, der Wolf bliebe Wolf. nur durch das Zutun des Menschen, seiner Zuchtauslese u.ä. ist es zum Schäferhund gekommen.
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Re: Kann es Evolution geben?????
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06/26/07 21:12
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I'll do some quick translating then, you're right, since this is explicitly about what Americans believe, it would be better to also hear from Americans themselves what they believe in. Hold on. DwX: Can there be evolution? (or: Does evolution exist? ) Because evolution is an infinite thing, it does seem to fit.
A lot of Americans are confident there has never been something like Evolution, instead according to the God has created this world.
The creation theory is being taught in American schools as one of the possible starts (of life, universe etc.). If you ask me, that's mad --- JCL: It's not thát bad. Though it's true that to this day about 45% of the Americans (still) believe that the world was created in 6 days and that Astronomy, Physics and Evolution are nonsense. But 10 years ago it was still 60%. And because of the outcome of a recent lawsuit the creation theory may not be taught on American schools as a Science anymore. --- Blattsalat: If God needed 6 days for Creation, then he can't be allmighty in other words he's bound to 'labor agreements'. In both cases this damages the overall image.
The difference is really between believing and knowing. Creationists believe in the Creation theory, the not-Creationists know that it has been Evolution. --- Mercuryus: How much time does such a day take for "God"? "God" must have more than 4 dimensions - time must be quite trivial... --- der Omega: "How much time does such a day take for "God"? "God" must have more than 4 dimensions - time must be quite trivial... "
Good point ^^--- JoGa: hm, well. I think the question is a bit vague. Does Evolution exist? Yes and no. Yes, because Evolution exists, that is the development within species. (Wolf to Shepperddog ) No, because I believe there can't be trans-species evolution. ("Fish" to land animal. In my opinion not even the million of years can change this.) I believe the contrary is happening. Instead of species that develop further and further I think there's 'degeneration'(?) and 'destruction' happening.
At least when looking at the years when humans where around. I think we can see that humans become less and less resistant to diseases, dirt and pollen (more allergic).
Amongst my own friends 20-25 years of age there are less allergic people than amongst my girlfriend's friends (15-18 years). In my 'circle of people I know' some have Hay Cold, they have all kinds of allergies, like; Milk-, Nut-, Soja-, House Dust- and Bean-allergies. Off course I do not exclude the possibility that there once was "Evolution", but I see a possible divine cause as very plausible and logical, when you look at the complexity of Nature as something that started fully by itself regulated through Evolution.
To create order you'll need a higher Intelligence than Chaos would result in, or what? (in other words; Order isn't possible to have come from Chaos.)
When I think about my own house without me (the higher intelligence that would clean up the mess) then the house would become ever more dirtier. Okey, not a very complex example. I think it's better for me to go to sleep now or else I will be writing [censored] without end. Still, back to my house: a better example would be the Shepperddog. Do you think it has "developed itself" without human interference (the higher Intelligence)? Hardly, the wolf is still a wolf, but because of the human interference and the selectional breeding it became a Shepperddog.--- Hope this'll do. Cheers
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Re: Kann es Evolution geben?????
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06/26/07 21:40
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I'll do some quick translating then, you're right, since this is explicitly about what Americans believe, it would be better to also hear from Americans themselves what they believe in.
LOL. I never expected an actual translation, I was just joking. Thats great! thank you very much.
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Though it's true that to this day about 45% of the Americans (still) believe that the world was created in 6 days and that Astronomy, Physics
not really fair to infer that if someone rejects evolution that they also reject astronomy and physics. I suppose that if all creationists would reject all physics and astonomy and calculus, then Isaac Newton would also be one of your 45%. Since he is the discoverer of much of calculus,astronomy, and physics.....The fact is that you can still believe in creation theory and believe in 99% of the sciences.
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Yes, because Evolution exists, that is the development within species. (Wolf to Shepperddog ) No, because I believe there can't be trans-species evolution. ("Fish" to land animal. In my opinion not even the million of years can change this.) I believe the contrary is happening. Instead of species that develop further and further I think there's 'degeneration'(?) and 'destruction' happening.
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At least when looking at the years when humans where around. I think we can see that humans become less and less resistant to diseases, dirt and pollen (more allergic).
the dna is not evolving, it is in a state of degeneration with every species. It is a proven fact. Proven not by creationists but by biologist around the world.
The reason why humans are sometime healthier nowadays , and live longer lives is because of technology. technology has surely evolved, but creatures have not.except evolution as you have described from within a reproduceable species.
Natural selection and survival of the fittest is a true natural phenomena, but it can only select from genes in the dna which already exist, the real question is: where do the genes come from?
the larger question is where did all matter come from? there is no provable answer within physics or astronomy to accept. There are simply all theories, unprovable. Just because I dont accept common physics about the origin of matter does not mean I reject physics which describes how matter works.
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