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Re: Superstring Theory
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10/16/07 16:21
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There are maybe 5 people in the world who claim to understand string theory... ... and 4 of them are lying.
who's the one?
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Re: Superstring Theory
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10/17/07 16:43
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It's more than that Phemox. Yes it's complex and you are right, there are plenty of complex theories out there. The problem is that it's complex and (so far) UNTESTABLE. Hence, it becomes an exercise in mathematcal wordplay which may be beautiful and may seem true to the theorists but science does not hinge on mathematics (it doesn't!)... it hinges on experiments. So without experiments that can test 11 dimensions vs. 22 vs. 54843, the theory is complex and, well, useless. The day we can test this theory is the day that it will become more valid in the eyes of scientists... but heck, we are BARELY now starting to test for the Higgs Particle, a lynchpin of the Standard Model of Particle Physics that has been around for nearly 50 years, so I have no illusions that we will be able to test SS theory any time soon.
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Re: Superstring Theory
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10/17/07 20:34
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Don't forget, we didn't test general relativity through experiments.
WHOA! Oh yes we did! Einstein was considered a crackpot and his theory completely ignored until Sir Arther Eddignton did a test of the bending of light after an eclipse and the bending was in complete accordance to the theory.
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Therefore we assume that Einstein was right
But he is right... in the realms that his theoy is valid. That we may need to add to the theory to make it compatable with QM doesn't make it wrong, merely incomplete.
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As far as I see it, Brian Greene is wasting his time on something that
I disagree. Like Einstein, several theories started off as purely mathematical artifacts until tested. It will be through Greene's and others works that we can finally get to a stage where we might be able to test it. At that stage, SS may be proven right OR wrong. And even if wrong, it will have at least excluded that line of thought from Grand Unified Theories. Not a waste of time, but not worthy of complete belief right now either!!!
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Re: Superstring Theory
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10/18/07 02:13
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But he is right... in the realms that his theoy is valid. That we may need to add to the theory to make it compatable with QM doesn't make it wrong, merely incomplete.
Enter Hawkings and the *theory of everything* which attempts to unify the two.
As for superstring theory, there actually are classes at MIT which use this freely available book as text if anyone wants to give it a try...;)
web page It even has a solutions manual. I myself only have a vague idea of what it is.
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Re: Superstring Theory
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10/19/07 17:32
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'Til now it is just philosophy, and I doubt it will ever become more than that. As far as I see it, Brian Greene is wasting his time ...
Well, do not exagerate Brian Greene is not a lonely wolf, the direct opposite The string theory is , nowadays, the most popular theory in the scientific comunity I dont suppose that are all dreamers
This theory can exactly predict all the features of all the known particles. It is hard to beleive that it is just by chance
Also I dont' see why you keep claiming that it wont be tested in a lifetime
The string theory predict the existance of new particles in a band of energy which is accessible to the new particle accelerator at CERN
Should the new particle accelerator find these particles and these particles only than the string theory is , likely, true On the other hand if the particle accelerator does not find these particles or it finds them but along with other particles which are not prdicted by the theory than the string theory is , for sure, just a math trick
Be patient
P.S.
For those who are interested there are two other great books on the string theory written for a vast audience by famous scientists
"Warped passages" by Lisa Randall "Tha cosmic Landscape " by Leonard Susskind
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