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lcd or crt ?? #166466 11/08/07 03:41 11/08/07 03:41
Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 702 Z zazang OP User
zazang OP User Z Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 702	well the time has come for me to upgrade to a new beast,but I am stuck between choosing an lcd screen or the age old crt. On reading reviews,I realised that lcd only has a "native" resolution support and trying anything less or more of resolution will create lower quality images than crt.Does this not make lcd screens pretty useless for professional developers like us ?. If anyone has experiences with both,please share.I really am confused ! Thanks. PS I am thinking of buying a 17inch lcd screen,because with a 19 inch I have to pan/tilt my head a lot I like good 'views' because they have no 'strings' attached..

Re: lcd or crt ?? [Re: zazang] #166467 11/08/07 04:42 11/08/07 04:42
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MrCode User M Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 677 0x00000USA	Well, I guess it kinda depends on the size. I'm using a 15" LCD and it's fine for me. The only real drawbacks I can think of are that it can't go any higher than 1024x768, which is the physical pixel depth of the screen, and if the monitor goes off for a long period of time while the computer is still on, then when it wakes back up, the colors are a little tinted. But that goes away after about 30 seconds. At resolutions lower than the physical pixel depth, say 640x480, it's not too different, just the pixels being a little fuzzier (because the monitor has to fill all those extra pixels; I think this is a side-effect of any type of monitor). Hope this helps your decision. Code: void main() { cout << "I am MrCode,"; cout << "hear me roar!"; system("PAUSE"); }

Re: lcd or crt ?? [Re: zazang] #166468 11/08/07 06:50 11/08/07 06:50
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PHeMoX Senior Expert Joined: Sep 2002 Posts: 8,177 Netherlands	Quote: PS I am thinking of buying a 17inch lcd screen,because with a 19 inch I have to pan/tilt my head a lot I have both a 17inch and a 22inch monitor, but head tilting/panning isn't much of an issue really. It does take some time to get used to more space on your desktop, but you're probably already sitting at at least half a meter away from your monitor right? In my experience head tilting doesn't become an issue except when you go bigger than 22inch. You should go see them in a store if you're able to, go sit in front of them, try sitting at different distances. Off course it's your choice, but you should at least look into it. I used to believe head tilting/panning would be an issue with 19inch monitors... well for me personally, I turned out to be wrong. If you want a really nice monitor and are willing to spend some bucks for it, go with a Samsung 226BW (that's the 22inch one LCD) (or one of it's smaller brothers/sisters)... The best money I've ever spend on a monitor for sure. Heck I would buy another one if I had the money. I wouldn't buy a CRT monitor, LCDs seem to be better now.. at least the newer ones are afaik, but don't take anything for granted just because I say so. There are a LOT of different kinds of monitors. It's really worth checking them out in a store to get a better look at them. Cheers PHeMoX, Innervision Software (c) 1995-2008 For more info visit: Innervision Software

Re: lcd or crt ?? [Re: PHeMoX] #166469 11/08/07 10:11 11/08/07 10:11
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zazang OP User Z Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 702	Thanks for the great inputs ! But one question remains.Can lcd monitors show resolutions higher than the native resolutions and does it look bad ? regards zazang I like good 'views' because they have no 'strings' attached..

Re: lcd or crt ?? [Re: zazang] #166470 11/08/07 11:40 11/08/07 11:40
Joined: Sep 2002 Posts: 8,177 Netherlands PHeMoX Senior Expert
PHeMoX Senior Expert Joined: Sep 2002 Posts: 8,177 Netherlands	No, they can't show a higher resolution then their native maximum resolution. (They can show parts of the higher resolutions, but the screen won't show all there is.. much like with old monitors in a higher res than supported). But most modern LCDs can show at least up to 1280x1024 though which is often more than enough. The Samsung 226BW can show up to 1680x1050 widescreen resolution and some bigger LCDs can show even higher but those are more expensive. Personally I really don't think you miss out on anything not being able to see higher resolutions than 1680x1050. Most games do support up to 1600x1200, but like I said.. LCDs monitors that can show those resolutions are both big and really expensive. The Samsung 226BW is probably the best buy when it comes to performance, quality and price/value though, Cheers PHeMoX, Innervision Software (c) 1995-2008 For more info visit: Innervision Software

Re: lcd or crt ?? [Re: PHeMoX] #166471 11/08/07 12:24 11/08/07 12:24
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Xarthor Expert Joined: Jul 2002 Posts: 4,436 Germany, Luebeck	Go for an LCD monitor but not a 17" The problem (as far as I know) with 17" is that its too big for 1024x768 but to small for 1280x1024. So either go for a 15" or a 19" and by the way: I don't need to pan my head at all (using a 19" LCD)

Re: lcd or crt ?? [Re: PHeMoX] #166472 11/08/07 12:28 11/08/07 12:28
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Loopix User Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 969 ch	Quote: PS I am thinking of buying a 17inch lcd screen,because with a 19 inch I have to pan/tilt my head a lot That's actually very good! It keeps you from becoming typical "PC-stiffnes"...much better than fixing a screen without moving your head...for hours. For game dev I'd even buy two 19" LCD's...just to keep your head moving...it'll be even better if the screen would slightly move foreward and backward...else you'll get focusing problems after some years... sincerly yours Dr. Med. Loopix (promotioned in moralizing and critisizing) ...Yeah and I'd definately choose a LCD nowadays (2 milisec. reaction time...) Get MystyMood for free...now! You need plants and trees for your game?

Re: lcd or crt ?? [Re: Loopix] #166473 11/08/07 13:05 11/08/07 13:05
Joined: May 2002 Posts: 7,441 ventilator Senior Expert
ventilator Senior Expert Joined: May 2002 Posts: 7,441	are crts still available? go for a lcd. they are much nicer to the eyes. lower resolutions than the native one are absolutely no problem for games. it's more a problem with fonts in windows but even there it's no big deal and why would you want a lower resolution there anyway? and instead of two monitors i would go for one really big one. i love my new 24" monitor.

Re: lcd or crt ?? [Re: ventilator] #166474 11/08/07 14:31 11/08/07 14:31
Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 702 Z zazang OP User
zazang OP User Z Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 702	I would really wanna buy an lcd screen...probably a wall hanging 19 inch,but I am stuck with one problem with the A7 game development perspective.I have to make games that support higher resolution.So how do I make panels for higher resolutions and test them ?. Should we make lower res panels and scale them higher or the other way round. I guess lower sized images when scaled would look bad but higher size images cannot be seen in an lcd...damn ! I like good 'views' because they have no 'strings' attached..

Re: lcd or crt ?? [Re: zazang] #166475 11/08/07 14:55 11/08/07 14:55
Joined: May 2002 Posts: 7,441 ventilator Senior Expert
ventilator Senior Expert Joined: May 2002 Posts: 7,441	in your image editing program it shouldn't be a problem to create bigger images. you can scroll. and then do some panel scaling code. i don't know what your requirements are but i wouldn't make the resolution of the panel images too big. i think 1024x768 or 1280x1024 is a good panel resolution. ...and you could get a 21" 1600x1200 or 24" 1920x1200 lcd. most crts can't do more either.

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