thanks man that site is awesome...i have 3ds max on cd and when i try to instal it my computer freezes hahaha meh ill fix it later but for now im drawing some character models for when i do learn to model humans.

thanks guys for all your help, ill post pics of my progress if you want then if im any good ill work for free for use even though i work for free now lol so if you need any models (unskinned at the moment) of objects at all ill do em for free in spare time.