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Re: 3DGS demo's, what would you like to see? [Re: Nems] #182467 02/08/08 15:55 02/08/08 15:55
Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 7,121 Potsdam, Brandenburg, Germany Machinery_Frank Senior Expert
Machinery_Frank Senior Expert Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 7,121 Potsdam, Brandenburg, Germany	But then it probably turns out to be a template game. This would even make much sense because Conitec can advertise the templates as well. It will be hard to promote a programming language like Lite-C with only a demo. Models, Textures and Games from Dexsoft

Re: 3DGS demo's, what would you like to see? [Re: Helghast] #182468 02/08/08 18:59 02/08/08 18:59
Joined: Sep 2002 Posts: 8,177 Netherlands PHeMoX Senior Expert
PHeMoX Senior Expert Joined: Sep 2002 Posts: 8,177 Netherlands	Quote: NONE! I am sick of demos. Time for some games if you ask me. Amen! Quote: frank, you could've made your reply completely normal if you left out the quoted part. He can't because he holds a grudge against me, he just can't stand me, even when I'm acting normal as this thread clearly shows. PHeMoX, Innervision Software (c) 1995-2008 For more info visit: Innervision Software

Re: 3DGS demo's, what would you like to see? [Re: PHeMoX] #182469 02/08/08 19:10 02/08/08 19:10
Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 4,875 broozar Expert
broozar Expert Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 4,875	why are you sick of demos? demos are a good way to show what you can (coding/artwise), without having to focus on the things you can't. you can create a stunning shader demo, but you wouldn't be able to create a game if you don't know how to animate or model or script. so demos have a higher chance to be completed, look and feel better, and may rise the reputation of acknex. homepage \| shameless advertising \| Linux supporter

Re: 3DGS demo's, what would you like to see? [Re: broozar] #182470 02/08/08 19:25 02/08/08 19:25
Joined: Sep 2002 Posts: 8,177 Netherlands PHeMoX Senior Expert
PHeMoX Senior Expert Joined: Sep 2002 Posts: 8,177 Netherlands	At first glance that might seem true, but if you make a great games using this engine it will tell much more about the performance of the engine. Everybody could basically make a walk-through with nice art if they invest in good art or have an artist in their team, for programming you can just use the templates (yes, they are actually more than sufficient enough to make a good looking walk-through), but would this show anything other than just that the engine is capable of showing a walk-through? After all, you ultimately would want to make games with this engine, right? I definitely do agree with you about the chance of completion though, but that's pretty obvious when there's less work to do. PHeMoX, Innervision Software (c) 1995-2008 For more info visit: Innervision Software

Re: 3DGS demo's, what would you like to see? [Re: broozar] #182471 02/08/08 19:28 02/08/08 19:28
Joined: Sep 2005 Posts: 980 Aue, Sachsen, Germany W Wicht User
Wicht User W Joined: Sep 2005 Posts: 980 Aue, Sachsen, Germany	You need all of them. Demo's, a complete Game and Video-Tutorials (or written Tutorials). 1. Demo's show some cool features. Nothing more. 2. A complete game is a indicator that the used engine is ready for a serious game-project. 3. Tutorials show the tools and the workflow behind.

Re: 3DGS demo's, what would you like to see? [Re: Wicht] #182472 02/09/08 09:14 02/09/08 09:14
Joined: Jul 2001 Posts: 6,904 H HeelX Senior Expert
HeelX Senior Expert H Joined: Jul 2001 Posts: 6,904	Quote: What I often wonder is, why do we not see more games with 'programmer art'? Everybody seems to go for realism because it's 3D, but especially with 3DGS I think going for an abstract look and feel will be way more successful. I'm thinking about the Inago Rage kind of look. Even programmers can make those kind of graphics, right? Hey, such a style also requires talented people. You can do single things "with style" and also games "with style" but the gap between these two points is big. BTW, RUDIs art is actually programmers art Personally - from a coders point of view - I don't like the "demoroom" concept. What is the advantage over standalone demos? I just can walk from door to door. Yipiie! If you do standalone demos ("just the rooms") users are also in a position to study how the code works. This is why I don't like the code of the misty mood demo: there are a lot of stuff intermingled together and it takes a lot of time to rape one effect out of it so that it exactly works in my game. Apart from that - the misty mood demo is perfect for the purpose of a realtime environment demo. Let's hit nails: what are the 7 most important things that you would like to see in a techdemo - from an users point of view?

Re: 3DGS demo's, what would you like to see? [Re: HeelX] #182473 02/09/08 13:03 02/09/08 13:03
Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 7,121 Potsdam, Brandenburg, Germany Machinery_Frank Senior Expert
Machinery_Frank Senior Expert Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 7,121 Potsdam, Brandenburg, Germany	Quote: Let's hit nails: what are the 7 most important things that you would like to see in a techdemo - from an users point of view? - working efficient scene management (indoor and terrain) - good lighting (static and dynamic) - collision detection (models, terrain) - animation That is what we need at first instance. If this works we can think about: - physics - particles - LOD Models, Textures and Games from Dexsoft

Re: 3DGS demo's, what would you like to see? [Re: Machinery_Frank] #182474 02/09/08 13:14 02/09/08 13:14
Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 3,538 WA, Australia J JibbSmart Expert
JibbSmart Expert J Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 3,538 WA, Australia	- nice shaders - physics (ODE sucks but surely we can do some nice things with it) ... i dunno what else. i would love to see a team make a great little multi-player game with gs. i think by "7 most important things" he meant things we can dedicate a room to. but if i saw a tech-demo that had a room dedicated to animation and another one dedicated to collision detection i wouldn't buy the engine. i would download irrlicht or something. julz Formerly known as JulzMighty. I made KarBOOM!

Re: 3DGS demo's, what would you like to see? [Re: JibbSmart] #182475 02/09/08 13:41 02/09/08 13:41
Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 7,121 Potsdam, Brandenburg, Germany Machinery_Frank Senior Expert
Machinery_Frank Senior Expert Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 7,121 Potsdam, Brandenburg, Germany	Quote: but if i saw a tech-demo that had a room dedicated to animation and another one dedicated to collision detection i wouldn't buy the engine. i would download irrlicht or something. Because of that I mentioned scene management and lighting first. Displaying models, textures and animations is not very impressive. Every hobby coder can do that. But rendering big worlds efficiently and fast plus having more than a few dynamic lights or good static lighting is what allows you to create big worlds with good visuals. Though all this is not important if you only want to make a new Tetris-clone. But then you dont need an advanced 3d-engine anyway. Models, Textures and Games from Dexsoft

Re: 3DGS demo's, what would you like to see? [Re: Nems] #182476 02/09/08 13:42 02/09/08 13:42
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,659 San Francisco JetpackMonkey Serious User
JetpackMonkey Serious User Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,659 San Francisco	I'd like to see something very clean which shows the features.. but also graphically stylized and not with programmer art (like that ghastly old demo for A6 with the clip-art bikini women tossing a beachball next to clip-art merlin doing excessively over the top particle effects).

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