fastlane69: Nice writeup, and I couldn't agree more with all points. Though Jay is no longer with the company. No loss to the customers, and I agree about the attitude.

There were some things I liked about GG, some I just let go, and then over time some that just put me completely off. Constantly telling anyone who asked questions that they "were doing us a favor" even letting us have the tech. And "what do you expect for $100?", though I ended up putting in thousands.

I didn't mind when Melv started developing T2D (now TGB) and it was going to be marketed as its own product. I liked the idea so I bought it. One of the selling points for me was that one of the examples coming with it was going to be a pool game and I thought "Cool, I'll get a look at 2D ball physics in the new engine". Last minute they pulled that example and made a for sale game out of it.

Next they came out with TGE 1.5, and their policy of free updates changed. If you wanted the update, you paid again. I could see that on a major revision, but they made some bug fixes over 1.4 and threw in a couple of lame tools. Still, I paid it.

Somewhere in there I also bought TGEA, whole other story.

Then they came out with the Commercial Pro licensing for TGB for people who didn't want to worry about splash screens or what kind of game they made. Again I thought "Great", and I paid. Now I can't do that either.

They do have their tech out there in a few good areas, good marketing I suppose, but GG is now a long way from an Indie freindly place. Game dev being only a hobby for me I just don't have time to piss around with a bunch of cocky, arrogant people who are apparently extremely offended at having people ask questions about their software, business judgement, or ethics. I've made a good living from computers longer than some of them have been alive (33 years), and I don't know it all for crap's sake.

On the limitations of 3DGS - they all have their limits and any softwre is only as good as the person on the keyboard. That's not a problem, I have no illusions about my capabilities. I just want to play at game dev. I've just been out looking for decent software with decent support, and it looks like it will be 3DGS. I checked it out 4 years ago before I went with Torque and decided against it. Bad choice on my part. GG is probably the biggest reason I recently decided to create my own site so devs could have a place to hang out without being pummeled by "fan-boys" and "wanna-be-god-like" employees.

Anyway, good writeup fastlane...