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Re: I love the Dalai Lama but... [Re: NITRO_2008] #207907
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I see national struggles as being more the survival of ideas and ideologies rather than the survival of a race based on their genetics.


This is a fascinating point. Have we eschewed physical evolution in order to focus on mental evolution?

Every Eastern Mystic would be proud of this!

Re: I love the Dalai Lama but... [Re: NITRO_2008] #208117
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Heh, are you serious? I suppose that would make perfect sense...but I feel like you are pulling my leg. But for Dutch names, your name is so much easier to understand than something like Edsger W. Dijkstra


Haha, I'm not pulling any legs here, it's true. By the way, most Dutch names can be explained, Dijkstra's name too. I'm pretty sure 'Dijkstra' must have got to do with 'dikes' somehow, but I don't know for sure.

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I see national struggles as being more the survival of ideas and ideologies rather than the survival of a race based on their genetics.

For example, if we went by the early German eugenics movements both Stephen Hawking(a disabled man) and Albert Einstein(a Jew) would have been removed from Hitler's ideal gene pool, and that would be a tragedy to humans as a whole.


I don't want to stray of topic too much here, but nowadays nations aren't quite synonymous with race (have they ever?) and yes wars are mostly driven by ideology and definitely not actual survival. A lot of wars don't have an actual 'sense' when it comes to real survival of a race and evolution. And yes, you are right, it doesn't make sense to make a distinction based on race anyways as eugenics has done (does? I don't know if anyone still really believes in that, I'm pretty sure the scientific community doesn't and practically never did.).

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I dont dispute survival of the fittest, it is readily observed, it is observed in every level of nature and social interaction.


Interesting, but it does surprise me a bit. So all you do dispute are the mutational changes that are beneficial?


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Re: I love the Dalai Lama but... [Re: NITRO_2008] #221441
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You guys don't even know shit about Chinese history, Taiwan was always China's but it got conqued by japan in the 1890s the Japanese gave back Taiwan when they lost ww2, then civil wars broke up in China the communist party drove the Kuomintang party to Taiwan, The ruling party in taiwan(Kuomintang party)still reconize themselfs as Chinese but not a part of The Peoples Republic Of China!
As for Tibet, Tibet was a part of China since the 13 century, the Dala Lama wants to split Tibet even though the people don't, if there was a vote there then the Dala Lama would not win, the Dala Lama is just an idoit who escape to India when the civil war ended, now with dreams to split China, which is not going to happen!


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Re: I love the Dalai Lama but... [Re: bomber] #221508
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You guys don't even know shit about Chinese history,
We get fed propaganda just like anybody else.

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which is not going to happen
This was my original point (as NITRO_2008). Noone is going to stop China. With 1.5 billion people, there is little that anyone can do for Tibet. My theory is that we should stop trying to cry for Tibet when as you said, they have been a part of China for 800 years.

So I agree with you. smirk

Re: I love the Dalai Lama but... [Re: NITRO777] #221596
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excuse me! Are u Chinese?!Tibet was never conquered by China they merged when a Chinese princess married a Tibetan king, and it was that princess that brought Buddism to tibet!


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Re: I love the Dalai Lama but... [Re: bomber] #221613
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become chinese! 1.3 billion people can't be wrong!

bomber, why are you so agro? settle down. no one is insulting you or your country. how much do you know about german history? the history of the netherlands? aussie history?

there's nothing wrong with correcting people, but there's plenty wrong with being agro and over-defensive.

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Re: I love the Dalai Lama but... [Re: NITRO_2008] #221628
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Originally Posted By: NITRO_2008
I am not aware of Netherlands history but I am sure that there was some kind of barbarian tribe which took your land to begin with, I think it was the Franks which finally held it and it was part of the 17 provinces held by the Dukes of Burgundy. Whichever group finally held on to it only did so through brute violence. The only reason why you sit comfortably in front of your computer is because some king and some army decided that they were going to O_C_C_U_P_Y your land. Do you wish to give it back or do you feel like the Netherlands truly has a "right" to it?

I thought that was the USA's job to bully and occupy countries, tibet was never conquered it merged with China by marrage.And Julz I'm not being agro and over-defensive. I'm just telling them the facts!

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Re: I love the Dalai Lama but... [Re: NITRO_2008] #221637
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[quote] But as you said; if OIL is found in Tibet then that changes everything. Maybe then someone could help them. But even if the US and all of Europe defended Tibet I shudder to think about what conflict with China would mean....

yeah what the US would want oil, but over 90% of tibetans are against seperation^


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Re: I love the Dalai Lama but... [Re: bomber] #221685
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Ive researched your last posts bomber and it turns out that you are 13 years old.
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(I'm 13 and I'm probably the best there),


Im not "age-prejudiced" but I also am not willing to argue about politics and governments with a 13 year old. So therefore I have withdrawn my original statements...I am not saying that in being 13 that you are automatically wrong, as a matter of fact there are many many brilliant 13 year olds, but I have no desire to argue with any of them.

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Re: I love the Dalai Lama but... [Re: bomber] #222072
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Originally Posted By: bomber
excuse me! Are u Chinese?!Tibet was never conquered by China they merged when a Chinese princess married a Tibetan king, and it was that princess that brought Buddism to tibet!


That's one version of the story, but I've heard many already. smile

Besides, if it's true it only sort of proves how the Dalai Lama isn't anywhere near the 'rightful leader' of Tibet anyways... but that's less the problem as the whole conflict definitely revolves around mainly the resources of Tibet, aka lots of money and power, if you ask me.


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