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Re: Indy developer wants to know from pirates why they pirate
[Re: MrGuest]
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08/21/08 03:33
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it's because noone gives a crap about it! In China even schools and use pirated software cause noone gives a damn about it, no1 can see why buying software can be better than pirating them
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Re: Indy developer wants to know from pirates why they pirate
[Re: MrGuest]
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08/21/08 08:04
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No it is not ludicrous , it is called good public relations. If a business wants to do well it must have good relations with its customers. You do not think someone from a company should personally relate to its customers? Just what do you think Steve Jobs does? He is the highest paid cell phone salesman in the world. Millions of teenage airheads think the iphone is cool just because Steve Jobs says it is. Every company must have a PR department, and yes part of the job of the PR department is to encourage good relations which will reduce theft. Really it is just basic economic theory. I did not say people were stealing software because it is to expensive. I said they were stealing it because they feel ripped off . Because of the lousy PR by the big game developers people just do not understand why games cost so much. I think cost has very little to do with stealing except when people feel they are being taken advantage of. And I never said that anyone was justified stealing software. I said that having a personal relationship with your customers will reduce piracy.
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Re: Indy developer wants to know from pirates why they pirate
[Re: bomber]
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08/21/08 09:06
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it's because noone gives a crap about it! In China even schools and use pirated software cause noone gives a damn about it, no1 can see why buying software can be better than pirating them "noone" is a little exaggeration. This counts for your county but not for all countries in this world. Some people appreciate the good work of others. If all people think like you then there will be no more commercial software around the world, only hobby open source projects can survive. How many good open source games did you play in the past? If you dont want the industry to die then a few people should pay the bills. Many artists, programmers and administrative people work hard for that. What about you? Maybe you finish a game, a product, maybe you harvest some vegetable or rice from the fields. Do you want us to steal it from you because "noone gives a crap about it"? It is very sad what you wrote here.
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Re: Indy developer wants to know from pirates why they pirate
[Re: Machinery_Frank]
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08/21/08 23:48
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maybe you harvest some vegetable or rice from the fields. Do you want us to steal it from you because "noone gives a crap about it"?
Lol. How many bags of rice do you think we could sneak away with in the middle of the night? Maybe $10 worth? If you dont want the industry to die then a few people should pay the bills bomber doesnt give a crap about bills! He is thirteen. His mommy and daddy pay the bills. Or maybe communist china has free rent for everyone! Frank, I wouldn't even waste your time to argue with this stupidity if I were you. @all You can choose to believe it or not. Yin and yang. Karma. What comes around goes around. Vorsehung. Jesus. Whatever you believe. If criminals think they will get away with stealing they are just fooling themselves. I have lived long enough to realize that consequences have a way of catching up with everybody. You can trust old uncle Nitro on that one.
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Re: Indy developer wants to know from pirates why they pirate
[Re: Machinery_Frank]
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08/25/08 10:08
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it's because noone gives a crap about it! In China even schools and use pirated software cause noone gives a damn about it, no1 can see why buying software can be better than pirating them "noone" is a little exaggeration. This counts for your county but not for all countries in this world. Some people appreciate the good work of others. If all people think like you then there will be no more commercial software around the world, only hobby open source projects can survive. How many good open source games did you play in the past? If you dont want the industry to die then a few people should pay the bills. Many artists, programmers and administrative people work hard for that. What about you? Maybe you finish a game, a product, maybe you harvest some vegetable or rice from the fields. Do you want us to steal it from you because "noone gives a crap about it"? It is very sad what you wrote here. Well this is what the situation is like, I mean some huge companies and some gov deparments still use pirated software so u can see what the situation is like
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Re: Indy developer wants to know from pirates why they pirate
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08/26/08 09:39
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There are some key factors: - It's bcz free is always going to be cheaper.
- money isn't worth what it used to be and there seems to be less of it these days!
- Fundementally software companies need to find a different way to make money from their games and applications. The internet is a good business model for today, software applications should be generating income in similiar ways.
- Schools should NEVER have to pay for MS Office or any such applications.After all you're training these kids to use this software in their working lives which drives business to use your software, business are easier to piracy enforce.
We are rapidly reaching satriation point with more choice than ever before accross all of our digital markets. The consumer has less cash to spend in the first place and so much to choose from it's no suprise that they want to try before they buy or, in my opinion, the vast choice simply undervalues the product to the consumer and just like the old days of recording songs from the radio, it's far too accessible and therefore easier to pirate. We couldn't stop this progress even if we wanted to, so it's about time software companies moved stepped up to the plate. Think outside the box.... pah!
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Re: Indy developer wants to know from pirates why they pirate
[Re: indiGLOW]
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08/26/08 16:34
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so it's about time software companies moved stepped up to the plate. What do you mean by this?
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Re: Indy developer wants to know from pirates why they pirate
[Re: Shadow969]
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09/01/08 16:27
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If we'll take Russia about 5-10 years ago, when i was a kid, i thought that every game or program costs about 2 dollars and installing a crack or a patch is a required step of installation. Even the idea that a piece of software can cost several thousand dollars seemed crazy to me(and still some people think the same). Now things are starting to change, and i see less pirated games and software in the shops. Sometimes funny things occur - i remember i saw a licenced dvd of some film that was CHEAPER than pirated to attract customers I suppose piracy won't be stopped completely, but it can be reduced(lower prices, stricter laws) Yeah, I haven't been in Russia for quite some time now, but those 7Wolf versions of games were always mad popular in Russia... That 'company' must have made millions, * It's bcz free is always going to be cheaper. Now that's a serious problem if you want to sell things... However, everybody knows the whole idea behind paying for something is that you want something so bad, that you pay to get it. Apparently games for many people aren't worth paying for anymore. That's the real problem, the mindset on games, not really the fact that games often are available on warez sites. * Fundementally software companies need to find a different way to make money from their games and applications. The internet is a good business model for today, software applications should be generating income in similiar ways. They probably are going to, but I think using in-game ads to fund games is a very very very bad development. We are rapidly reaching saturation point with more choice than ever before across all of our digital markets. The consumer has less cash to spend in the first place and so much to choose from it's no surprise that they want to try before they buy or, in my opinion, the vast choice simply undervalues the product to the consumer and just like the old days of recording songs from the radio, it's far too accessible and therefore easier to pirate. The only way to counter this is for developers to become less greedy and sell their games for cheap. Simple.. It's also not healthy how some developers HAVE to make millions of one of their titles just to NOT go bankrupt. There's something seriously crazy about that also. We couldn't stop this progress even if we wanted to, so it's about time software companies moved stepped up to the plate. Yes, but I think it's reasonable to expect from the industry to especially step up their game as far as copy protection goes. I wouldn't mind if games were sold for far far less money if at the same time I have to install a complex copy protection system on my PC. As long as it's free from spyware and won't crash my PC, I couldn't really care less... Cheers
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