@fastlane69:

I stated above, I have not seen "anything" from GS PE, and was simply using Newton as a benchmark, that I presumed that GS-PE was of an equal standard and thus may suffer from the same problems as Newton. In all fairness until I see PE first hand, I will not be able to draw any solid conclusions as to its potential.

As we develop our title we are aware that the industry standards in many ways shape the expectations of the buyer. So to commercially compete for these buyers we must be able to deliver what they expect from a game. Titles like Max Payne 2, only touch the surface of the Havok PE's potential, and new titles like the eagerly anticipated Doom3 undoubtably will push the buyers PR expectations further than before, (I am not saying Doom will use Havok or that it will feature physics, just a hypothetical example ).

So from our point of view, it is not the price tag of the PE that matters, it is the capabilities, reliability, support and ease of integration that is the deciding factor. Not forgetting the public awareness of said PE. We are already expecting costs of $100K-150K to fully realise our title, including the $10K royalty-payoff for A6 to conitec. So IF we signed up with Havok, royalty free or otherwise, it would not be a financial question. That said we are not going to give $70k for a PE if what we need is already possible in GS-PE or for that matter Newton.

Finally to even talk to Havok they need to see your development on your title first, before they will talk PE and costs, and if Havok was the only viable PE for us, but it could not integrate with GS, this entire 'you-show-me-I'll-show-you" would be irrelevant, and thankfully the first sentance of your reply answers this question, so thank you for that.

Interestingly today I showed a colleague the Newton PE demo, and they were reasonably impressed, though it stopped working after 10mins, and a few other niggles, but generally ok. If you have anything similiar developed in GS-PE, we would love to look at it as this would greatly help our forward planning.

Thanks for all your comments and questions.