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More than 1000 entities = death for a game? #227605 09/15/08 10:58 09/15/08 10:58
Joined: Aug 2008 Posts: 55 United Kingdom CdeathJD OP Junior Member
CdeathJD OP Junior Member Joined: Aug 2008 Posts: 55 United Kingdom	Hey there i have just started using Lite-C (a few weeks experience) but have managed to code up a basic particle spawner of my own. However, it seems that anything more than 1000 particles alive at a time is nothing but death for ones framerate. Surely there is a way to alter this, i have a good system, but a much older engine i used to use (blitz3d - thats like made in about 2001 i think) can handle about 10,000 easy and upto 15,000 without crashing! Any advice is helpful! I am a noob to this... Blitz3D is where i am best at!

Re: More than 1000 entities = death for a game? [Re: CdeathJD] #227637 09/15/08 13:56 09/15/08 13:56
Joined: Feb 2008 Posts: 3,232 Australia EvilSOB Expert
EvilSOB Expert Joined: Feb 2008 Posts: 3,232 Australia	I was helping someone else with their project, and we were getting up to over 40,000 textured, shadered,in-camera, rotating, and visible entitys before things started getting doggy. But we werent using any physics. Unless your box-spawner has changed a-lot since I last saw it, I think its lag is probably due to too many physics collisions happening per second due to the huge number of overlapping blocks. Once I get some free time in the next few days I'll take a look and see if I cant squeeze any improvements out of it. "There is no fate but what WE make." - CEO Cyberdyne Systems Corp. A8.30.5 Commercial

Re: More than 1000 entities = death for a game? [Re: EvilSOB] #227736
09/15/08 22:04 09/15/08 22:04

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This is happening in some other code where physics is not present in more than about 10 objects, and all others are PASSABLE. Would i have to have a physics free level altogether to get that amount?

Code:

#include <acknex.h>
#include <default.c>

ENTITY* FLOOR;

VECTOR box_rotation;
VECTOR centre = vector(0,0,0);

var dampener;
var c1;  
var num_box;
var new_ball_delay;
var iveruntheIamFlyfunk;
STRING* num_box_string;

d3d_alpharef = 180;

typedef struct
{
	var velx;
	var vely;
	var velz;
	var lifetime;
	ENTITY* model;
} box; 

PANEL* panDisplay =
{
	digits(35, 10, "smokes = %0.f", *, 1, num_box);
	flags = VISIBLE;
}


function do_sprite(ENTITY* ThisModel,var xv,var yv,var zv)
{
	while(ThisModel.skill25>0)
	{
		wait(1);			//wait 1 frame
		ThisModel.skill25 -= 15;	//reduce counter
		if (random(100)>97)
		{
			ThisModel.skill25 += 150;	//reduce counter
		}
		ThisModel.x += xv;
		ThisModel.y += yv;
		ThisModel.z += zv - (ThisModel.skill27/8);
		ThisModel.skill27 += 1;
		if (ThisModel.skill25>ThisModel.skill26)
		{
			ThisModel.scale_x = (ThisModel.skill25 * ThisModel.skill25)/14000;
			ThisModel.scale_y = (ThisModel.skill25 * ThisModel.skill25)/14000;
		}
		
		if (ThisModel.skill25<10)
		{
			ThisModel.alpha = ThisModel.skill25*0.01;
		}
		
	}
	ent_remove(ThisModel);		//remove timed-out model
	num_box -= 1;
}
 
function new_sprite(var xpos, var ypos, var zpos)
{
	c1 = 0;
	while (c1<15)
	{
		c1 += 1;
		box my_box;
		my_box.model = ent_create("bluspark.bmp",vector(xpos,ypos,zpos),NULL);
		my_box.model.skill25 = 200+random(500);
		//my_box.model.pan = 180 - angle1;
		my_box.model.scale_x = 1.925;
		my_box.model.scale_y = 1.925;
		my_box.model.roll = 1;
		my_box.velx = (random(25)-12.5)/2;
		my_box.vely = (random(25)-12.5)/2;
		my_box.velz = (-5+random(25))*5;
		my_box.model.skill26 = 180 - random(100);
		set(my_box.model,BRIGHT|OVERLAY|TRANSLUCENT|PASSABLE);
		my_box.model.alpha = 50;
		do_sprite(my_box.model,my_box.velx,my_box.vely,my_box.velz);
		//my_box.model.scale_z = 10.925;
		my_box.lifetime = 100;
		num_box += 1;
	}
}

function do_bomb(ENTITY* ThisModel)
{
	while(ThisModel.skill25>0)
	{
		ThisModel.skill25 -= 2;	//reduce counter	
		wait(1);			//wait 1 frame		
	}
	new_sprite(ThisModel.x,ThisModel.y,ThisModel.z);
	ent_remove(ThisModel);		//remove timed-out model
	num_box -= 1;
}

function new_bomb()
{
	box my_box;
	my_box.model = ent_create("cube_smaller.x",vector(0,0,0),NULL);
	my_box.model.x = 0;
	my_box.model.y = 0;
	my_box.model.z = 800;
	my_box.model.scale_x = 16.925;
	my_box.model.scale_y = 16.925;
	my_box.model.scale_z = 16.925;
	my_box.model.skill25 = 500 + random(1000);
	c_setminmax(my_box.model);
	wait(1);
	phent_settype (my_box.model, PH_RIGID, PH_SPHERE); // set the physics entity type
	phent_setmass (my_box.model, 200, PH_SPHERE); // and its mass
	phent_setfriction (my_box.model, 68); // set the friction
	phent_setdamping (my_box.model, 5, 5); // set the damping
	phent_setelasticity (my_box.model, 62, 12); // set the elasticity
	dampener = 0.285;
	phent_addvelglobal(my_box.model, vector((-50+random(100))*dampener,(-50+random(100))*dampener,(-5+random(10))*dampener), vector(100,0,0) );
	do_bomb(my_box.model);
	//wait(1);	
}

function main()
{
	video_mode=9;
	fps_max = 60;
	max_entities = 15000;
	max_nexus = 100000;
	level_load("");
	vec_set(screen_color,vector(0,0,0));
	wait(1);
	ph_setautodisable(0.00001, 0.0002, 4, 41); // turn on and set default values
	camera.ambient = -92; 
	FLOOR = ent_create ("plain3d1.x", vector(-400, 0, -4800), NULL); // create the floor
	set(FLOOR,LIGHT);
	camera.x = 5500;
	camera.y = 20;
	camera.z = 250;
	camera.arc = 110;
	camera.pan = 180;
	FLOOR.scale_x=5000;
	FLOOR.scale_y=5000;
	FLOOR.scale_z=30;
	FLOOR.z = -5;
	FLOOR.red = 0;
	FLOOR.green =0;
	FLOOR.blue =0;
	FLOOR.ambient = 25;
	FLOOR.z=-50;
	
	ph_setgravity (vector(0, 0, -886)); // set the gravity
	
	while (1)
	{
		new_ball_delay -= 1;

		
		// CONTROLS
		mouse_pos.x = mouse_cursor.x;
		mouse_pos.y = mouse_cursor.y;
		camera.pan -= mouse_force.x * 26;
		camera.tilt += mouse_force.y * 26;
		mouse_pos.x = 160;
		mouse_pos.y = 120;
		if (key_cuu) camera.x -= 52 * time_step; 
		if (key_cud) camera.x += 52 * time_step; 
		if (key_cul) camera.y += 52 * time_step;
		if (key_cur) camera.y -= 52 * time_step;	
		if (key_ins) camera.z -= 52 * time_step;
		if (key_del) camera.z += 52 * time_step;
		if (mouse_left)
		{
		   camera.ambient += 1;
 		   //bowling_ball();
 		}
		if (mouse_right)
  			  camera.ambient -= 1;
		if (key_e) 
		{
			if (new_ball_delay<0)
			{
			new_sprite(0,0,800);
			new_ball_delay = 1;
			}
		}
		if (random(100)>97)
		{
			new_bomb();
		}
	    //on_e = 
		wait(1);
	}
}

I am a noob to this... Blitz3D is where i am best at!

Re: More than 1000 entities = death for a game? [Re: CdeathJD] #227772 09/16/08 02:58 09/16/08 02:58
Joined: Aug 2008 Posts: 55 United Kingdom CdeathJD OP Junior Member
CdeathJD OP Junior Member Joined: Aug 2008 Posts: 55 United Kingdom	I just thought, perhaps it is because each sprite is loaded from disk? It's the only thing i can think of! In Blitz3D i would use the "COPYENTITY" function to simply copy the already loaded entity from a reference object. Could this be the case with this example? I am a noob to this... Blitz3D is where i am best at!

Re: More than 1000 entities = death for a game? [Re: CdeathJD] #227778 09/16/08 05:05 09/16/08 05:05
Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 1,086 Queensland - Australia Nidhogg Serious User
Nidhogg Serious User Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 1,086 Queensland - Australia	Ok I just had a quick looksee and I saw that you had wait(1) in wrong places. Also wait(1) is supposed to before c_setminmax(my) not after. Try adding the wait(1) at the end of the process, unless you ment for them to be that way. eg: while(1) { do some stuff here wait(1) } Hope this helps.. There is a physics demo getting around, on acknex resource site. Also have a quick look in the physics forum, some good tips in there as well. Good luck.. Windows XP SP3 Intel Dual Core CPU: E5200 @ 2.5GHz 4.00GB DDR3 Ram ASUS P5G41T-M LX PCIE x16 GeForce GTS 450 1Gb SB Audigy 4 Spyware Doctor with AntiVirus

Re: More than 1000 entities = death for a game? [Re: Nidhogg] #227876 09/16/08 15:49 09/16/08 15:49
Joined: Apr 2008 Posts: 594 Austria Petra Support
Petra Support Joined: Apr 2008 Posts: 594 Austria	When you have frame rate problems, the first thing is to find out WHY you have those problems. Press F11 and check the render time display: that will tell you what the problem is. After that the next step is making a plan how to fix that. 1000 particles are nothing for A7, they wont have noticeable impact on the frame rate. But 1000 physics entities are certainly a different matter.

Re: More than 1000 entities = death for a game? [Re: Nidhogg] #227890 09/16/08 17:55 09/16/08 17:55
Joined: Aug 2008 Posts: 55 United Kingdom CdeathJD OP Junior Member
CdeathJD OP Junior Member Joined: Aug 2008 Posts: 55 United Kingdom	Originally Posted By: Nidhogg Ok I just had a quick looksee and I saw that you had wait(1) in wrong places. Also wait(1) is supposed to before c_setminmax(my) not after. Try adding the wait(1) at the end of the process, unless you ment for them to be that way. eg: while(1) { do some stuff here wait(1) } Hope this helps.. There is a physics demo getting around, on acknex resource site. Also have a quick look in the physics forum, some good tips in there as well. Good luck.. Which function is that in? I am a noob to this... Blitz3D is where i am best at!

Re: More than 1000 entities = death for a game? [Re: Petra] #227891 09/16/08 17:57 09/16/08 17:57
Joined: Aug 2008 Posts: 55 United Kingdom CdeathJD OP Junior Member
CdeathJD OP Junior Member Joined: Aug 2008 Posts: 55 United Kingdom	Originally Posted By: Petra When you have frame rate problems, the first thing is to find out WHY you have those problems. Press F11 and check the render time display: that will tell you what the problem is. After that the next step is making a plan how to fix that. 1000 particles are nothing for A7, they wont have noticeable impact on the frame rate. But 1000 physics entities are certainly a different matter. There are only at max 20 physics entities! Not 1000! It seems i cant get past 1000 (particles) without very significant slowdown though. I am a noob to this... Blitz3D is where i am best at!

Re: More than 1000 entities = death for a game? [Re: CdeathJD] #227936
09/16/08 21:55 09/16/08 21:55

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Posts: 1,086
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Nidhogg

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Nidhogg

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Posts: 1,086
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Ok I put the wait statements where I think they should be...
Changed x to mdl, don't know if this was your problem as it looked
like you where trying to load microsoft.x models instead of 3DGS mdl
format..

Compare this code to your old..
My system kept at 60 framerate np.
Kept getting a invalid argument error in entity after every 2 secs..

Hope this will help..

Code:

#include <acknex.h>
#include <default.c>

ENTITY* FLOOR;

VECTOR box_rotation;
VECTOR centre = vector(0,0,0);

var dampener;
var c1;  
var num_box;
var new_ball_delay;
var iveruntheIamFlyfunk;
STRING* num_box_string;

d3d_alpharef = 180;

typedef struct
{
	var velx;
	var vely;
	var velz;
	var lifetime;
	ENTITY* model;
} box; 

PANEL* panDisplay =
{
	digits(35, 10, "smokes = %0.f", *, 1, num_box);
	flags = VISIBLE;
}


function do_sprite(ENTITY* ThisModel,var xv,var yv,var zv)
{
	while(ThisModel.skill25>0)
	{
		//wait(1);			//wait 1 frame
		ThisModel.skill25 -= 15;	//reduce counter
		if (random(100)>97)
		{
			ThisModel.skill25 += 150;	//reduce counter
		}
		ThisModel.x += xv;
		ThisModel.y += yv;
		ThisModel.z += zv - (ThisModel.skill27/8);
		ThisModel.skill27 += 1;
		if (ThisModel.skill25>ThisModel.skill26)
		{
			ThisModel.scale_x = (ThisModel.skill25 * ThisModel.skill25)/14000;
			ThisModel.scale_y = (ThisModel.skill25 * ThisModel.skill25)/14000;
		}
		
		if (ThisModel.skill25<10)
		{
			ThisModel.alpha = ThisModel.skill25*0.01;
		}
		wait(1);
		
	}
	ent_remove(ThisModel);		//remove timed-out model
	num_box -= 1;
}
 
function new_sprite(var xpos, var ypos, var zpos)
{
	c1 = 0;
	while (c1<15)
	{
		c1 += 1;
		box my_box;
		my_box.model = ent_create("bluspark.bmp",vector(xpos,ypos,zpos),NULL);
		my_box.model.skill25 = 200+random(500);
		//my_box.model.pan = 180 - angle1;
		my_box.model.scale_x = 1.925;
		my_box.model.scale_y = 1.925;
		wait(1);
		c_setminmax(my);
		my_box.model.roll = 1;
		my_box.velx = (random(25)-12.5)/2;
		my_box.vely = (random(25)-12.5)/2;
		my_box.velz = (-5+random(25))*5;
		my_box.model.skill26 = 180 - random(100);
		set(my_box.model,BRIGHT|OVERLAY|TRANSLUCENT|PASSABLE);
		my_box.model.alpha = 50;
		do_sprite(my_box.model,my_box.velx,my_box.vely,my_box.velz);
		//my_box.model.scale_z = 10.925;
		my_box.lifetime = 100;
		num_box += 1;
		wait(1);
	}
}

function do_bomb(ENTITY* ThisModel)
{
	while(ThisModel.skill25>0)
	{
		ThisModel.skill25 -= 2;	//reduce counter	
		wait(1);			//wait 1 frame		
	}
	new_sprite(ThisModel.x,ThisModel.y,ThisModel.z);
	ent_remove(ThisModel);		//remove timed-out model
	num_box -= 1;
}

function new_bomb()
{
	box my_box;
	my_box.model = ent_create("cube_smaller.mdl",vector(0,0,0),NULL);
	my_box.model.x = 0;
	my_box.model.y = 0;
	my_box.model.z = 800;
	my_box.model.scale_x = 16.925;
	my_box.model.scale_y = 16.925;
	my_box.model.scale_z = 16.925;
	my_box.model.skill25 = 500 + random(1000);
	wait(1);
	c_setminmax(my_box.model);
	//wait(1);
	phent_settype (my_box.model, PH_RIGID, PH_SPHERE); // set the physics entity type
	phent_setmass (my_box.model, 200, PH_SPHERE); // and its mass
	phent_setfriction (my_box.model, 68); // set the friction
	phent_setdamping (my_box.model, 5, 5); // set the damping
	phent_setelasticity (my_box.model, 62, 12); // set the elasticity
	dampener = 0.285;
	phent_addvelglobal(my_box.model, vector((-50+random(100))*dampener,(-50+random(100))*dampener,(-5+random(10))*dampener), vector(100,0,0) );
	do_bomb(my_box.model);
	//wait(1);	
}

function main()
{
	video_mode=9;
	fps_max = 60;
	max_entities = 15000;
	max_nexus = 100000;
	level_load("");
	vec_set(screen_color,vector(0,0,0));
	wait(1);
	ph_setautodisable(0.00001, 0.0002, 4, 41); // turn on and set default values
	camera.ambient = -92; 
	FLOOR = ent_create ("plain3d1.mdl", vector(-400, 0, -4800), NULL); // create the floor
	set(FLOOR,LIGHT);
	camera.x = 5500;
	camera.y = 20;
	camera.z = 250;
	camera.arc = 110;
	camera.pan = 180;
	FLOOR.scale_x=5000;
	FLOOR.scale_y=5000;
	FLOOR.scale_z=30;
	FLOOR.z = -5;
	FLOOR.red = 0;
	FLOOR.green =0;
	FLOOR.blue =0;
	FLOOR.ambient = 25;
	FLOOR.z=-50;
	
	ph_setgravity (vector(0, 0, -886)); // set the gravity
	
	while (1)
	{
		new_ball_delay -= 1;

		
		// CONTROLS
		mouse_pos.x = mouse_cursor.x;
		mouse_pos.y = mouse_cursor.y;
		camera.pan -= mouse_force.x * 26;
		camera.tilt += mouse_force.y * 26;
		mouse_pos.x = 160;
		mouse_pos.y = 120;
		if (key_cuu) camera.x -= 52 * time_step; 
		if (key_cud) camera.x += 52 * time_step; 
		if (key_cul) camera.y += 52 * time_step;
		if (key_cur) camera.y -= 52 * time_step;	
		if (key_ins) camera.z -= 52 * time_step;
		if (key_del) camera.z += 52 * time_step;
		if (mouse_left)
		{
		   camera.ambient += 1;
 		   //bowling_ball();
 		}
		if (mouse_right)
  			  camera.ambient -= 1;
		if (key_e) 
		{
			if (new_ball_delay<0)
			{
			new_sprite(0,0,800);
			new_ball_delay = 1;
			}
		}
		if (random(100)>97)
		{
			new_bomb();
		}
	    //on_e = 
		wait(1);
	}
}

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Re: More than 1000 entities = death for a game? [Re: Nidhogg] #227938 09/16/08 22:03 09/16/08 22:03
Joined: Aug 2008 Posts: 55 United Kingdom CdeathJD OP Junior Member
CdeathJD OP Junior Member Joined: Aug 2008 Posts: 55 United Kingdom	Sorry, but its not working! When sprites are supposed to be made its just errors with: ERROR E1515 Invalid arguments in new_sprite:ENTITY This happens all the time, not every few seconds! Last edited by CdeathJD; 09/16/08 22:04. I am a noob to this... Blitz3D is where i am best at!

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