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Re: Q: Should creationism be taught in shools? -- A: YES!
[Re: Lukas]
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12/14/08 20:40
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Lukas
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@smitty: "We have Moses and the prophets" "because God not man revealed it to me" Once you claim Moses and the prophets revealed god, then you said that god himself did it. Btw did god ever reveal himself to people who did not hear of him before? No. This imagination. They read the bible and imaginized that god was talking "through the soul" or whatever. "You have much more to lose than me." I'm richer that you and I could lose more money to the curch? (Funny btw that you are trying to convince me with a quote from someone who has the same name as me (Lukas = Luke in English) xD)
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Re: Q: Should creationism be taught in shools? -- A: YES!
[Re: Dan Silverman]
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12/14/08 20:42
12/14/08 20:42
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Dan Silverman
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My first bible inconsistence bases on the fact that there were no lightbulps yet. And such a placeholder light like in a modelling program sounds strange for me. For fun, let's remove lightbulbs from the equation. What is "light"? Can light be derived from, say, energy that is released? Do we need a sun for this? So, if we assume the Bible story is true, then could not God have released some form of energy in the form of light and later replaced this general light with more specific ones (sun and stars)? I am just having fun with this, mind you, but it is not really a Bible contradiction. People may not believe it, but that is different than a contradiction. And, concerning modeling applications: this is how they work. If, for example, you start up 3D Studio MAX, you can see everything in your view port. If you create a sphere, for example, you can see it even if you have not added a light to the scene. Why? Well, if there were no general light illuminating everything then you could not see what you were making and this would force you to create a light source first. This general lighting is not very good. It does not cast shadows or do nice highlights and the like. So, you add a few lights later to make your scene look realistic.
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Re: Q: Should creationism be taught in shools? -- A: YES!
[Re: smitty]
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12/14/08 20:58
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Dan Silverman
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Hmm Dan, I think you became atheist. Then if you disagree, could you show me an example of a REAL bible inconsistence? I never claimed to be an atheist. I just claimed to not believe the Bible to be true. However, I want to be fair. I have seen too many slam the Bible and it seems obvious that they don't know what they are talking about (and I am not talking about anyone here on this forum). Mr. Silverman, I am not getting into any discussions with you about the bible. For 18 years you claimed you were a believer and taught the word of God. God will hold you even more accountable for being a false teacher. Well, that is an interesting statement. So I cannot say anything about the Bible. My views are completely invalidated because I no longer believe the Bible to be true. That is indeed interesting and very telling, if I do say so myself. If that is the case, then I will just send my posts to someone else on this forum, like Lukas , and let him post them. Then you can answer him . You know, whether you believe what I have to say or not is not the issue here. You stated something as fact that you cannot substantiate from the Bible or anywhere else. What you stated as a fact was a belief. You believe in seven dispensations, which is the typical dispensational teaching. I don't have to be a believer in the Bible to talk about this, by the way. But this belief (in seven dispensations) is not widely held among those claiming the title of Christian.
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Re: Q: Should creationism be taught in shools? -- A: YES!
[Re: Dan Silverman]
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12/14/08 21:00
12/14/08 21:00
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Dan Silverman
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He told that he really did believe in god, but then found out the truth. He did not lie. To be fair, Lukas, he did not say (here) that I was lying. He only said that I "claimed" I was a believer. That claim is true. I did claim this and I did believe it. I also acted on those beliefs. I no longer believe this way. That is also true. Changing one's beliefs does not make one a liar. I once believed that there was a Santa Claus that brought presents down my chimney. I stopped believing that as I grew older and no one claimed I was a liar for the first so many years of my life.
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