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Re: Windows 7 Beta download
[Re: adoado]
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01/20/09 15:42
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Dark_samurai
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I don't see any reason why I should switch from XP to Vista or Win 7. It's stabel, fast and I know where things are ^^ The only reason would be DX 10, but I'm not a gamer so this is not my problem What about the consumed RAM of Win7? Does it use less than Vista?
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Re: Windows 7 Beta download
[Re: Cowabanga]
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01/20/09 17:17
01/20/09 17:17
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yeah its nearly same. And only thing complained about win7 is gamestudio setup so far. (omg gotta love new mspaint)
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Re: Windows 7 Beta download
[Re: Dark_samurai]
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01/20/09 17:42
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The only reason would be DX 10, but I'm not a gamer so this is not my problem I am very much a gamer, but I totally do not miss DX 10. There are still big performance issues with most games when it comes to DX 10 support, so it's not like we're really missing out on anything major just yet. Eventually I will make a switch, but I'll probably jump straight to Windows7 and not Vista. Cheers
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Re: Windows 7 Beta download
[Re: PHeMoX]
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01/21/09 09:16
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Machinery_Frank
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I made a Google search for "Windows 7 Benchmark" and there are quite a lot benchmarks out there. Most of them show that Win 7 boots and runs a bit faster. Good news. So I only have to hope that Win 7 64-bit Upgrade will properly install on my current system without destroying anything.
I still will keep my XP in a virtual environment. This the best and robust software development platform I ever installed so far.
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Re: Windows 7 Beta download
[Re: Machinery_Frank]
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01/21/09 09:32
01/21/09 09:32
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i tried upgrading from vista to see if it works, too bad it said it cant update Turkish Vista to English Windows7 (only japanese-arabic-english and 2 more languages available in beta.)
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Re: Windows 7 Beta download
[Re: Machinery_Frank]
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01/21/09 11:40
01/21/09 11:40
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I would reccomend a backup to be on the safe side, that's what I did, also in different news Removal of Windows Mail [This documentation is preliminary and is subject to change.]
Affected Platforms
Clients - Windows 7 Servers - Windows Server 2008 R2
Feature Impact
Severity - High Frequency - High
Description Microsoft is deprecating the Windows Mail utility and disabling the API CoStartOutlookExpress. The other mail APIs have been marked as deprecated and are slated for removal in a later Windows version. However, the publicly documented APIs that are not marked as deprecated or obsolete will continue to function in Windows 7. Binaries will remain on the users? systems and will continue to be accessible via the APIs, specifically in the cases mentioned above. In addition, the users' e-mail (.eml) and news (.nws) files will remain on the system.
Manifestation of Impact Removal of Windows Mail results in the following:
All entry points to Windows Mail and Contacts (for example, Start Menu, user-created Shortcuts, Start -> Run, etc.) are removed or disabled. Some of these are completely removed, others will fail when trying to launch. All DLLs ship in the box Publicly documented APIs continue to work as they did in Windows Vista Any APIs that attempt to launch the main browser UI have been modified to create a silent failure. The function will return success, but will not show the UI to the user. APIs that call other dialog boxes (for example, the Spooler or the Accounts dialog) continue to show that UI Protocol (mailto, ldap, news, snews, nntp) handlers will not be associated with Windows Mail or Contacts. When attempting to launch these, customers will see an error dialog pointing them to the location where they can set these associations to another program File associations (.eml, .nws, .contact, .group, .wab, .p7c, .vfc) are broken or disabled. When attempting to open a file with these extensions, customers will get a dialog box offering them other apps that are installed that they can use and point them to a Web page that offers solutions Any user files (for example, contact files or messages) remain on the system in the upgrade scenario The Contacts folder is hidden by default so customers will not see it APIs are marked as deprecated in MSDN The file preview function is removed Shell hooks in the right click menu are removed The file search function is removed
Mitigation Users should install Windows Live Mail or any other mail product that is able to read .eml and .nws files.
Solution Detect if there is a default mail handler installed. If not, advise user to install Windows Live Mail or any other product that is able to read .eml and .nws files.
Do not design code that calls the Windows Mail UI API, since it will not work. You must find other ways to access the .eml and .nws files. In addition, as soon as is feasible, discontinue your reliance on all other Windows Mail APIs.
Compatibility, Performance, Reliability, and Usability Testing Exercise your application in a Windows 7 environment to ensure that the application does not try to call the UI API.
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Build date: 11/24/2008 bear in mind this is a early stage Beta.
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Re: Windows 7 Beta download
[Re: Yu_Une]
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01/21/09 12:30
01/21/09 12:30
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Machinery_Frank
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Hm, I hope they change it. Currently I indeed use Win Mail. Probably I should have used Thunderbird instead. I have to check if Thunderbird can import the Win Mail folders. The spam function from Thunderbird is better anyway.
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Re: Windows 7 Beta download
[Re: Machinery_Frank]
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01/21/09 14:53
01/21/09 14:53
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Thunderbird can indeed import WinMail - Mails
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Re: Windows 7 Beta download
[Re: Michael_Schwarz]
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01/21/09 17:35
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xp vs vista vs 7 it's beta, but it still can beat XP. (1:winner 2:runerup 3:loser) (test systems noted on images)
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