Have to agree. I've owned TGE for 4-5 years, TGEA since it came out in EA - own the Commercial license, TGB Pro Commercial since it came out in EA (as T2D). Bought Showtool, Torsion, and most of the other tools there.

I finally came to GS a year or so ago because of everything ortucis said, plus the constantly changing licensing issues. Torque3D looks to be okay, but at a stiff price (even upgrading from TGEA), and everything they've promised for Torque3D to justify the price increase are the same things they promised for TGEA and TGB Pro that we didn't see happen.

Read the EULA closely and see what you think. And check the forums for people who complain about the lack of documentation to see what the fanboy responses are. The original GarageGame founders even got out of there last year and have started a new company. That should say something...

I often read something like that, also in the C4 forums. But I wonder how they manage to finish so much games with it. There must be something we miss here. Even professionals made games with Torque lately (Hinterland as an example).

You have to be well rounded when it comes to game development, it takes more than one area to make a game and to make one the way you want takes time.

How much time do you have?

Thats why teams or groups of people make games to save time .....most definately not money thats for sure hahaha ;p

Professionals even made games with C++ from scratch lately.

hehe the basis for all games and applications

While this is somewhat funny you missed my point. Not only professionals are making games with this technology. The game Buccaneer sold at Steam was even made by 2 artists.

I like how Torque fans post the truth.. oh well, here's a lie from the artists themselves..



Read more, and find out how they never had any experience with Torque. They just jumped into the awesome bandwagon called TGEA and VIOLA!.. the masterpiece was born..

BRB, purchasing TGEA and a few hundred 'Packs' from their store. Also, trying to build few contacts who can slave for me in my pursuit of infamy.. err.. fame, I meant fame..

I did not see why this is a lie. Maybe I missed something.

I know about some problems and bad workflow, the lighting issues, DIF conversions and others in Torque myself.

But again, there are a lot of good games finished. I often wonder myself why they did chose Torque over other alternatives. Maybe it is the renderer, the option to release on Mac, the initial price, I dont know exactly.

We will see what happens with Instant Action and Torque 3D.

Looks nice so far...

You didn't. I however, missed the [/SARCASM] tag. Still, that quote pretty much proves that it is impossible to create a proper game on Torque without an army of pro programmers.


As for T3D, I am sure it will be great and a huge success (with the amount of hype GG generates, I'd be surprised if it isn't). Besides, I am not saying you cannot produce a game AT ALL with Torque. I was complaining about everything else that is wrong with that company.

Allow me to quote a post from that link on GG from David (Community Manager):


No offense but this is the same bullshit they have been feeding for years to the community. They actually expect community to come out with fixes, tutorials and addons for their engines while they spend money advertising/creating useless stuff like InstantAction while they have no money left to actually support the engine that makes them money in the first place.. wth?

They have ported it for Wii/Xbox, they have ported it for Mac, they have it for Windows.. and I have read from both sides (excluding Wii/Xbox since haven't seen anyone create anything for it) how the engine refuses to work properly (esp. on Mac, it's broken, Linux is just.. well, forget that).

So the spend money on porting it here and there, coming up with stuff like InstantAction, while they have no money left to actually provide a decent customer support? I also remember how they were happy that after the huge investment they got claiming how decent docs and customer support is right around the corner for all customers. Hilarious stuff, but they actually tried, half heartedly, to create an updated doc for TGE before it all went dead again and they just decided to make it better in T3D instead.

Oh and did I mention how the exporters for models in 3d apps were actually being updated by the users while they had old broken plugins listed for downloads in some god forsaken location you had to search around to find in the first place?

Anyways, I don't want to go into even more detail on the subject since I know it's all going to be useless. So whatever, enjoy the engine, have fun.