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Re: News about blender 2.48 and YoFrankie [Re: maslone1] #256066
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I have understood you very well wink

As told, trueSpace is not the only software i use ...

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it's impossible and i think not even desirable to create a gui which is liked by everyone.


But it's very possible to create a more user friendly UI so that also humans can use it :P

You impliment here that i am unique with my aversion against Blender UI, that i am the only one in the whole world that has problems with it. But i am ways not smile

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And today i say: I AM A BLENDER-LOVER.


Congrats, and best of luck with it smile


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Re: News about blender 2.48 and YoFrankie [Re: Tiles] #256068
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I had also a lot of trouble with Blender. I downloaded Blender several times but i could not work with the UI. Impossible.

I worked with Milkshape, gameSpace, trueSpace, Cinema4D, Lightwave and even MED.
No problem. But the UI of Blender is "for me" the hell.

Re: News about blender 2.48 and YoFrankie [Re: Tiles] #256069
03/14/09 12:47
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i don't think i implied that. you imply though that blender users are not human. :p

if you look around a bit you will see that truespace is at least as disliked for its gui as blender. smile i don't think blender is very special in this regard there just seem to be more prejudices because some people find the whole open source software thing a bit weird. it can't be any good so they don't give it as much time as they give their unlicensed max.

Re: News about blender 2.48 and YoFrankie [Re: ventilator] #256076
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i don't think i implied that. you imply though that blender users are not human. :p


Yup, Blender UI is the proof that Aliens exists laugh

I thought it was clear that this was meant as a joke wink

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if you look around a bit you will see that truespace is at least as disliked for its gui as blender.


Yes. That was the old 6.6 UI. Officially completely icon driven. The opposite to Blender, which is officially completely hotkey driven. Two extremes.

You could even there fully customize the hotkeys though. And surprisingly trueSpace is still mentioned as one of the most beginner friendly 3D apps ever. Never heard such a statement about Blender smile

But i don't want to introduce a Blender vs trueSpace discussion here. Featurewise Blender even wins. But to repeat myself again, i am not only using trueSpace. And have in none of them so massive problems with the UI like in Blender.

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i don't think blender is very special in this regard there just seem to be more prejudices because some people find the whole open source software thing a bit weird.


That's the problem. Most Blender users aren't longer aware of how special the Blender UI really is. It is VERY special wink

There was a time when Blender was the only real free 3D alternative. I would've been glad to save the money, i never had this much. But i have nevertheless spent hundrets of bucks for a rendersoftware. And that was not because of prejudices. But because the Blender UI didn't let me do my job. A a bit more userfriendly UI and i would be a Blender User nowadays ...

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Re: News about blender 2.48 and YoFrankie [Re: Tiles] #256079
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Maybe we should consider discussions about http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subjectivity as a waste of time.
(And bandwidth)
Subjectivity goes out of questions.

There will be no consens, you´ll both go round in circles until the sun swallows the earth. smile


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Re: News about blender 2.48 and YoFrankie [Re: fogman] #256107
03/14/09 17:32
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May I use this discussion to ask the wizard of blender2gs wink whether he cares to release the blend-file of the animated model of his animation tutorial of blender? laugh

Re: News about blender 2.48 and YoFrankie [Re: Pappenheimer] #256258
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I often read stories about users in the Lightwave and Modo forums using Blender as an additional tool in their pipeline e.g. for animating dynamics, water or even characters. Then they save it as point oven and render in Lightwave or Modo.

They do what artists just do: using the tools to create art.

Many users dislike the UI of ZBrush and I understand them. ZBrush is different. But did you realize the word "different"? This is all. This describes it perfect. Just like ZBrush, Blender is well structured, logic but different. And a new user has to learn it. If he/she is not willing to learn it, then it is a loss, a tool less, less possibilities, but no reason to bring up so much affection against a software. It is not a failure of this software, the user fails here.


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Re: News about blender 2.48 and YoFrankie [Re: Machinery_Frank] #256269
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If he/she is not willing to learn it, then it is a loss, a tool less, less possibilities, but no reason to bring up so much affection against a software. It is not a failure of this software, the user fails here.


I just knew that the good ol "you have no clue about anything because you don't bend to the Blender UI" argument will come here in this discussion. It always comes when i discuss with a Blender user. Everything and anything guilty except Blender, heh. Thanks for confirming my prejudices wink

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They do what artists just do: using the tools to create art.


Indeed. A tool is a tool. And good enough as long as it does the job. Blender doesn't do the job for me because of its bad UI ...


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Re: News about blender 2.48 and YoFrankie [Re: Tiles] #256278
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as Frank said,

blender not doing it's job is not it's fault, it's your fault. You cant make it do the job. As for the blender bein able to job, there are plenty of evidence(see some blender artist's portfolio) it can do the job.

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Re: News about blender 2.48 and YoFrankie [Re: Quad] #256279
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as Frank said,

blender not doing it's job is not it's fault, it's your fault. You cant make it do the job. As for the blender bein able to job, there are plenty of evidence(see some blender artist's portfolio) it can do the job.


Thanks for explanation. I already know that i am too dumb for the world wink

Should've known that it makes no sense to discuss with Blender users ...

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Everything and anything guilty except Blender, heh. Thanks for confirming my prejudices wink


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