I almost have it!!!! After about 12 hrs of work on adding to my old vehicle code(see above), I just about have it perfectly working with 0 friction! Yes that's right, 0 friction! It actually moves like there is perfect friction applied to it, and turns like the wheels are turning it. Best of all - there is no flipping, no wheel bending, and you can go up ramps with ease. Thanks Conitec for making this possible with phent_getvelocity,a variety of vector commands and most importantly the commands to add forces and torque. I'll most likely post it in a few days, just got alot of tweaking now... figured i'd keep everyone updated on my situation.