Well, i tested with the keyboard to see if Joystick could've possibly been the problem but it isn't. I had the lockup when playing with keyboard. I'm not sure what it is now...

It's not shaders.
It's not the joystick.
It's not a plugin.
It only happens in Kino, but none of the arcade games.

edit: is it possible for material flags like "enable_view" to cause problems with the camera?

Or is is possible for vec_to_screen/vec_for_screen to cause problems as well?

edit2: if it also helps i am using c_trace with both the use_aabb flags and use_box flags, could this cause such an issue?