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Re: Grow Simulation Prototype [Re: fogman] #273242
06/22/09 07:47
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Great. The shadow mapping adds very well to this scene.

I watched the video in HQ and full screen and found the following:
- the shadowmap has light bleeding under the roof of the house (left)
- the shading on hard edges is smooth and distribution of light and shadows is wrong
- the overall look is too cartoony, it looks like a kids game, the look of the LW simulator is more realistic


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Re: Grow Simulation Prototype [Re: Machinery_Frank] #273248
06/22/09 07:56
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Thanks for these detailed observations!
Do you have some tipps to achieve a less cartoony look?


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Re: Grow Simulation Prototype [Re: fogman] #273258
06/22/09 08:45
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Originally Posted By: fogman
Do you have some tipps to achieve a less cartoony look?


Here is an image of the botanical garden right here in Potsdam:



As you can see, the real world is not that colorful. Green dominates and everything has an ambient lighting with a mixture of gray and blue, but more towards gray. This is because of the sky. The sky spends the ambient light. The sun as a directional light is a mixture of yellow and white but also a bit gray.

So maybe changing the ambient color can change a lot. But if this is not enough you could de-saturate the textures a bit or you could blend a gray-blue layer over every texture.

But dont forget that the shadow should have the same ambient color. Shadows are not black.

All this depends on how the lighting works in your setup.


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Re: Grow Simulation Prototype [Re: Machinery_Frank] #273260
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Yeah, I´ve thought about decreasing the saturation.
Maybe I can use a shader for this as well to get some quick results.


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Re: Grow Simulation Prototype [Re: fogman] #273364
06/22/09 17:45
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Don't decrease the saturation too much!
Although, Frank is right in some way, his reference pic is wrong, because it is not a shiny whether as you show in your garden pics and videos.
As a second side note, the saturation in movies is sometimes higher as in reality, too. It depends on the purposes of the art. (At the moment, some movies of Doris Dörrie come to my mind.)

Re: Grow Simulation Prototype [Re: Pappenheimer] #273372
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Desaturation is already implemented.
Adjustable between 0 and 100%. wink



Some models are needing a texture change by hand, though.


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Re: Grow Simulation Prototype [Re: fogman] #273376
06/22/09 18:19
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A bit too much bloom, but it looks a lot better now smile

Re: Grow Simulation Prototype [Re: Slin] #273380
06/22/09 18:26
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Yes, it looks very good that way.


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Re: Grow Simulation Prototype [Re: Machinery_Frank] #273427
06/22/09 20:57
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is this project for sale? if yes i could design some UI interface

Re: Grow Simulation Prototype [Re: MMike] #273472
06/23/09 05:55
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The shader control panel is for internal development and won´t be included in the final game.
This way we can load the whole lighting out of a database, tweak, and save it again.


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