Ranman, I'm not sure if you still want to argue religion, or just showing off you newly acquired MED skills. In any case, I regret to say tl;dr. But I think I still got the gist of it..

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The orbits of the planets aren't perfect. Earth will collide sooner or later.

Yea, but they never collide. Why is that??? Think about it. Random choice of collisions say that they should collide, but no major collisions ever happen. Why? smile


Random choice of collisions say what? Can you be a bit more descriptive about this random choice of collisions law that you speak of?

Anyway, earth will not be here forever. Its atmosphere did let it survive the "random choice of collisions" for 4 billion years, but 500 million years from now it will be too hot for any life to survive on Earth, and 4 billion years later the whole planet will be completely engulfed by the sun. What's the designer's logic in doing that? He likes to press the 'reboot' button every 8 billion years or so, or should this be perceived as another one of Noah's Arc incident..


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Why? Evolution does not know or care about 2 or 3 eyes.
All it cares about is surviving. Your DNA determines your number of eyes.
DNA is another very complicated subject in itself.


Funny, a few hundred years ago If you'd dare to speak of strange DNA stuff the Church would probably hang you. Just like they tried to hang Coppernicus for his theory on the earth revolving around the sun. The very same church you're a part of today, even though you relaxed in the whole sun-revolving-the-flat-earth issue..

To answer your question, the clue is in the title. It's called "the survival of the fittest" not, "the survival of the survivor". We're living a life bound to competitive rules. If you need you and your spawn to survive, then you have to be the BEST. Sure, a one-eyed ape could still see, but some two-eyed ape probably sneaked attacked him and killed him for his banana stash. And even today, i think that a normal human, or even a gifted or talented one in some way (beauty, intelligence, good actor, nice voice, etc) would have more chances having a nice healthy family and lots of kids, than one with no bladder that pisses his pants 5 times a day..


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Wait a minute. A monkey is very complicated and has some intelligence already. I understand that they are not as intelligent as we humans, but i tell you that we humans do under-estimate their real intelligence at times. They are smarter than we think. wink


You want to argue about monkeys now just because I put them as an example? Would it make you feel any better if instead of monkeys it's a lite-c line that did this:

file_asc_write(fhandle,integer(32+random(90)));


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But, the most complex of them all, which is mother nature has no designer?

Com'on. where is your logic? Don't be blind. Try to think for a change...


Trust me, I base all my arguements and decisions on logic (whether mine is flawed or not is another case). I'm not the one believing in ancient stories about people walking on water here..

'Mother nature' has been created by the laws of physics. In turn, you could say that everything man-made has also been created by the laws of physics as a double derivative. You may argue if you want that God was the one that designed those very laws of physics and there would be no-one to oppose you. Most educated people I know are agnostics and they've never claimed to know the answer of what lies beyond this closed system that we call universe and where did all the energy first got introduced inside this system. But believing that this God figure of yours actually took out his sketchbook, drew a little bladder, maybe passed it through some holy beta test, then released it; well that's an argument that people can actually disprove, like jcl is doing in a neighboring thread.

Cheers,
Aris


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