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Re: Does HIV really cause AIDS? [Re: ventilator] #338891
08/22/10 12:29
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HIV/AIDS denialism is not really a theory based on facts.

The former African president Mbeki and his health minister T.-Msimang were such deniers and caused hundred thousends avoidable AIDS deaths. They encouraged useless and ridiculous treatments against AIDS (eating garlic and beetroot for example).

http://www.aidstruth.org

However, is Hilbert's Hotel the right place for discussing conspiracy theories and the like?

Re: Does HIV really cause AIDS? [Re: Saturnus] #338938
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Hilberts Hotel is the right place to throw in alternative perceptions. This is one of them. Nevertheless how likely it is that HIV causes AIDS, if any evidence shows that it's not, we might review our theories. This is a process that is beneficial for science. Why would you not discuss it, and risk the chance to see something over the head?


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Re: Does HIV really cause AIDS? [Re: Joozey] #338942
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I'm not the classic aids denialist, because it's hard for me to change my mind over something that I've been told all my life. I just have some questions about current beliefs and practises.
Originally Posted By: Damocles_
AIDS is what happens when you T-cells get destroyed.
The HIVirus uses mainly the T-Cells to multiply, thus detroying the cells.


HIV is a retrovirus. A retrovirus does NOT kill cells, it would be suicide. This is what first sprouted denialist claims. Dr Peter Duesberg probably knows more about retrovirus' than any other man alive (Robert Gallo's quote), and he was one of the first to question the hypothesis.

There's also alot of question about the HIV test itself. There is no 'gold standard' that is accepted internationally so I could test HIV+ in UK and then possibly HIV- in USA, it's bizzare. A study showed that testing the same sample of blood 40 different times produced different results more than once.

There is also the issue of sexuality defining the outcome of the test. Say you had a HIV test and recieved an indeterminate result. If you are hetrosexual you are presumed HIV- and if you are homosexual you are presumed HIV+. This seems really strange! How does your sexuality change what objective data is found in your blood?

The point I'm trying to get across is not that the whole HIV/AIDS thing is one giant conspiracy, that would be painful for an AIDS sufferer to hear.

What I'm saying is that there are questions that need answering but the medical community won't budge. Any questioning is disputted and rejected immediately.

We have been wrong in many areas of science before and I agree with Joozey that questioning this theory is a process that is beneficial for science and the welfare of humanity.

Re: Does HIV really cause AIDS? [Re: DJBMASTER] #338997
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I remember , I was kid , on television it was announced the death of a famous actor for immunodeficency
My mother said " It happen quite often to those kind of people "
The term AIDS was still unknown at the time
My personal opinion is that AIDS is not a new desease
Also it has been largely exagerated

Re: Does HIV really cause AIDS? [Re: AlbertoT] #338999
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is it true AIDS was spawned from the unmentionable acts of a man and a monkey?

Re: Does HIV really cause AIDS? [Re: zeusk] #339085
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conspiracy of it being crafted by man in labs is more believable... but probably these are both not true


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Re: Does HIV really cause AIDS? [Re: Quad] #339091
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Our biology teacher told us, some people ate monkey heads(->brains), and because it is "normal" that they can have an illnes which cause AIDS for humans ...

Re: Does HIV really cause AIDS? [Re: Rei_Ayanami] #339102
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I belive AID's was made in a lab...the orgin of its creation is such a conspiracy, tht it had to have been. XD

Re: Does HIV really cause AIDS? [Re: zeusk] #339208
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Re: Does HIV really cause AIDS? [Re: Puppeteer] #340063
08/31/10 13:43
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yes made on lab, to extinguish black humans, but .. you know it got out of control.

Anyway there is a cure, outhere, we just dont know.
And i heard HIV is caused by a bacterial , or fungus..
I heard alot of stuff..

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