Well, that settles it I guess. 3DGS isn't for me. I certainly can't afford to plop down what they want for the commercial versions, even for their older ones. Looks like Im going to be looking at other options. I found a list of some open source engine/editors so I'll just look through it and see what I can find in the way of an alternative. thanks for the help just the same folks. Good luck and happy creating.