Oh i am not saying its right at all. again i havent even played the demo. I'm just saying i think the effect on the market is for games in general not just indies. I think it might go hand in hand as well though with his last topic, if it is in fact that buggy, that would have an affect on the budget games market. Interesting tone you took with your reply, as if somehow emotionally affected....

I can't name any games this year or even three for that matter, but I can list both Fallout 3 and Oblivion off the top of my head. Both games had lots of issues that are really unacceptable considering the game's ultimate presentation. Ultimately this didn't deter both games from racking up enormous sales, but there are plenty of complainers out there...


Also remember that I tried my hardest to fix it but ultimately failed due to a lack of ability, not a lack of passion/ambition/drive like you said. Maybe that sounds a little defensive (and of course it doesn't make a difference in the game's ultimate presentation) but I don't like being labelled as someone who only gives a half-assed effort...


Me and spike are actually grateful for the honest feedback and I will begin R&D on a new custom built collision system soon, as well as a patch for both the demo and the retail version. So thanks again.

EDIT: Had something to say about Jibb's post:

I wonder if for the next episode we introduced color into the Uroboros? Not too many colors, just the standard EGA palette. It wouldn't hurt the style much at all and would allow spike to create more interesting scenes, like weird digital forests and stuff...

@lostclimate:
I am sorry if the last post sounded rude. This was not on purpose.
I just wanted to point out that its not an excuse because others do it was well.
Its just not acceptable no matter how big the budget is.

@Redeemer:
Havent played fallout3 so I cant say much about it, though Oblivion worked and I am sure both games have at least been patched. At least oblivion must have been since i finished the game twice.

First of all I want to make clear that i do not think you coded this desultory.
Furthermore I do like and respect it a lot that you stand up here and try to defend/explain it. This takes some balls and I am sure everything would be a lot different if you were in charge here.

And I am very pleased that you are honestly trying to fix stuff. So maybe the whole "bashing" might have even helped....

I wish you good luck.

Seriously. I would like to know what makes Fallout 3 comparable with Grunts. I played Fallout 3 a year ago (after my PS3 patched it to the latest version) and I had no troubles and I enjoyed every buck that I spent on it. Never got a game like that for that price. It is really outstanding.

@majority of thread posts:

- hmm, well i played grunts, the demo atleast, i didnt have much movement problems on my end actually, seemed ok.

- the style is ok but repetitive and useless after a while, i really think you can add colours, dont go colouring the whole game now but it could be used for contrast of important geometry or setting the mood.

- i got lost a few places i wont lie and as Julz [jibb but i prefer julz ] said, i didnt have much motivation to finish anything, felt like i was playing it for the sake of playing it

- is it worth selling? well i really dont know, the devs seem to put alot of work in, silly for them to start a thread about increasing the price though, makes no sense in any way but if they can get the game interesting to play through then i dont see why they shouldnt sell, again, i didnt get any movement errors

- hate alot of the responses i'm seeing from the devs though:
"we tried" , "brainless customers" , "aim better to kill whatever"

honestly i know what its like to be riddled with faulty systems but at the end of the day, noone cares for you, the dev, they care for the project, if so many people are complaining then simply fix it or have you given up on yourself and decided that gruntz is dead? if not, then i dont see why you cant revise both the game and the demo and reupload it.

Would I be mistaken in my understanding that you played it on your PS3? I was speaking of the PC version, which is a really unstable piece of garbage. There have been numerous counts of random crashes, big memory leaks, and gameplay bugs, and having owned and played both this game and Oblivion on a very recently built, top-of-the-line, and stable computer I can testify to all of these problems. Like I said though these things certainly didn't harm sales...


I don't approve of the second statement, but the third statement was a valid explanation for a bug that just doesn't exist. I wholly agree that all the real bugs need to be fixed, and if you have been reading all of the posts, you will see that we are both happy to get the honest feedback and to fix the bugs. So I don't understand what you're complaining about at this point...

Actually I player Fallout 3 on PC, movement is suck, but I wont call it garbage. Story and battle systems are pretty nice. I enjoyed game a lot while playing it.

The game's definitely not garbage, but the engine is.

"Please name 3 AAA titles released this year with obvious and none playable main game mechanic + that did not got fixed."

Nice statement, since the majority of games is mostly released at the end of year.

Not this year But:
Civ5: Savesystem for multiplayer is a huge fail. You can save to the steam cloud, but never load again. You can save a custom save during game by Ctrl+s(there is no menu button), but you cant load the save unless you copied it into the autosave folder and prefix the savename with autosave.

BadCompany2: Messed up engine. PatchbyPatch it changed completely: Working on Dualcore, not working on dualcore, working on dualcore....last patch long long time ago: NOT working (properly) on dualcore.

Knifing still not properly implemented. still possible to knife a camping sniper into the back multiple times without hitting hime o.O(though its less frequent)

"complaining" ? me ? naah , i actually dont care much, i hate the responses such as: "he was told to place blocks and didnt"

personally as said, it worked for me, i played it for a while and stopped because i got lost and lost interest, i actually tried finishing it and no i wont read some silly wiki

also fallout pc version operated perfectly fine for me also

- anyways, am out so no longer checking this thread