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Re: GRRR when did web design turn into a convoluded hall of mirrors?
[Re: Rei_Ayanami]
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02/06/12 19:58
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ventilator
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web development in the 90s: <table></table> web development in the 00s: <div></div> web development in the 10s: <script></script> 
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Re: GRRR when did web design turn into a convoluded hall of mirrors?
[Re: ventilator]
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02/07/12 01:25
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lostclimate
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lol not really its more like
<section id=xxxx>
<?
if get(foo)=1;
echo"
<script>
javescriptcrapthatcantusequotesnow();
getelelementid(xxxx).html(whole other page loaded with more php);
</script>
";
?>
</section>
and that doesnt include the other page, and is highly abridged with no real code in it. idk. its just a pain in the ass.
Last edited by lostclimate; 02/07/12 01:31.
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Re: GRRR when did web design turn into a convoluded hall of mirrors?
[Re: Damocles_]
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02/09/12 07:36
02/09/12 07:36
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Michael_Schwarz
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Or you make one big JPG in Photoshop, and pretend to have designed a fancy (static)webpage. You joke, but that is exactly what I had to do for a client once. Granted, I sliced the image up and compressed each section with whatever was best for it. But it was still just static images. Don't ask why he wanted it that way. I'm not sure he knew either. Maybe he read something like what you wrote and didn't get the underlying sarcasm. 
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Re: GRRR when did web design turn into a convoluded hall of mirrors?
[Re: Michael_Schwarz]
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02/09/12 09:25
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HeelX
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I think the attitude of web design changes with the uprise of HTML5 + CSS3. There are three things to consider and kinda important:
1) on different browsers, pages will look different. Some designers go that way to accept this and create designs that in fact look a bit different on every browser, instead to enforce a pixel-perfect design someone drew in photoshop
2) you don't know on which device the page is viewed and what resolution or aspect ratio it has. Is it a huge TFT display? A smartphone? A mobile phone? An iPod? A tablet? Is it vertical or horizontal? --- I learned a new term, "responsive" layout... as I understood it, it describes that a webpage re-arranges and scales it's layout itself depending on the device a user uses
3) your website is a win, if it is suited for touch devices. So, why developing a page for each device, if you can have it for all devices at the same time? I have the impression that this is possible today.
Because of these reasons I quit with learning how to make websites. Making my last portfolio was a pain in the ass and I "just" did a static website. For my next website I'll hire someone or buy a template and customize it or alike. I can not afford the time to become an expert on these technologies to compete in this hell, just for the sake of saying "I did my website alone!"...
Last edited by HeelX; 02/09/12 09:26.
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Re: GRRR when did web design turn into a convoluded hall of mirrors?
[Re: HeelX]
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02/09/12 10:19
02/09/12 10:19
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ventilator
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it's no big deal to achieve pixel perfect layouts. browsers aren't that bad anymore. form elements can still be a bit annoying sometimes and IE still doesn't support some new css stuff but there are workarounds like PIE. responsive design isn't something new. it was very common that pages adapted to the browser window width in the 90s. now it's a bit more fancy with css switching but i don't know yet if this just is a fad. for tablets you just shouldn't use hovering menus because you can't hover with a finger. no big problem either. what i hate about web development is all this social media nonsense. having to insert hundreds of like buttons and widgets, having to do facebook apps and iframe pages... or if customers want apps for everything even if a mobile website would do perfectly fine.
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Re: GRRR when did web design turn into a convoluded hall of mirrors?
[Re: ventilator]
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02/10/12 18:05
02/10/12 18:05
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Redeemer
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or if customers want apps for everything even if a mobile website would do perfectly fine. My eldest brother once designed a system for work that (on his boss's request) used a web interface to manage. When he was finished, the CEO of the company then asked, "this is an app, right?" -.-
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