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Re: IMMORTALITY (will it ever happen?)
[Re: AlbertoT]
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12/05/12 18:39
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Im shure the time delay is an indicator if an action is more or less concious.javascript: void(0)
Trained and often repeated actions: automized. (or instinctive) Newel, potentially dangerous or important actions: concious (they get thought over more) Until this actions receives enough training to be done automatically.
For example, reading a newspaper upside down takes longer (rotating the image mentally) But if you learned to read it like this, or trained it long, you can read the newspaper flawlessly fast this way.
Or in your explanation, the soul (conscious decision i call it) can overrule the instinctive action, if one values that. Even when you are born as an impulsive brute, you could control it. If you dont, then you obviously dont value it high enough, thats where the punishment (rightfully) steps in.
I think the tourett syndrome is one, where the person is not willingly able to suppress instinctive quick reactions, even if they want. Thats why they swear easily or make sudden moves. I think if you could supress this inhibitory function in a normal person, he would act the same. But thats a rare condition, an not an adopted excuse for some psychopath killing people.
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Re: IMMORTALITY (will it ever happen?)
[Re: jcl]
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10/29/13 19:10
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Why do people get old and die?
There is a simple reason: evolutionarily it did not matter if they die at older age. The reason is not so simple: A species with no aging, in combination with other factors such as being not too low in the food chain, had a huge evolutionary advantage. It could grow much more rapidly. In fact it is absolutely not clear why evolution has not developed immortality of most higher species. A plausible theory is that a non-aging species would not be able to evolutionary evolve further, and thus are stuck in a primitive state and in evolutionary niches. Yes, for a species still being (virtually or theoretically) immortal there's probably no evolutionary benefit to dying off more quickly. There's either enough natural selection to take away enough individuals from the gene pool for a steady rate of evolution or there is very little evolution going on to begin with, perhaps because of some kind of isolation. It's usually wrong to look at the dying aspect of individuals as some kind of trait for an entire species that's supposed to be inevitable. Evolution itself is never some kind of goal in itself. If a species is able to reproduce many offspring that in their turn can reproduce quite quickly, dying more quickly becomes beneficial to evolution, but only because the new individuals do not have to compete with the older generations as strongly when it comes to the food supply. On a cellular level, death easily makes far more sense. In order to renew or 'fix' things, you will usually need a mechanic that is able to remove damaged cells. Cells that are able to live forever in their turn will constantly be renewed or the actual structures will become ever weaker. I'd assume the origin of mortality actually lies in the ability to repair ourselves on a cellular level.
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Re: IMMORTALITY (will it ever happen?)
[Re: AlbertoT]
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10/29/13 19:16
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Hard to believe but true I read a book by E .Kandle, nobel price for medicine "In search of memory " It seems that human beings take decisions a fraction of time before that they become aware of what they have decided themselves If so free will is just a mere invention That depends on whether or not you consider this to be a bad thing. One of the advantages of reacting before becoming aware of the action itself, is that in an evolutionary sense it can be the different between survival and extinction. It might be less apparent nowadays, but anyone who's ever dodged a car almost hitting them, will be very glad indeed that evolution has made us react before realizing what we were going to do. This doesn't mean we can not freely decide what to do though. But one should wonder, what's the point? If you decide to consciously ignore fight or flight-reflexes, it will probably just kill you.
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Re: IMMORTALITY (will it ever happen?)
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10/30/13 19:06
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[quote/] One of the advantages of reacting before becoming aware of the action ... [/quote] I was not talking about inpulsive reaction I was talking about intentional actions You are told : "push a button when you like " Our brain has been mapped A ) Some area of our brain become active when we take a decision or better when we suppose to take a decision B) Some area become active when we move a finger You would expect that area "A" are enabled a fraction of time before area "B" The other way round It seems that human being do not take decisions , they only become aware that a certain decision has been taken Btw in an other thread I quoted the book "Who's in charge ?" It confirm exactly such assumption
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Re: IMMORTALITY (will it ever happen?)
[Re: AlbertoT]
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10/31/13 19:27
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It seems that the heart is much more than a "pump" and eclipses the brain. The heart and brain However, following several years of research, it was observed that, the heart communicates with the brain in ways that significantly affect how we perceive and react to the world. It was found that, the heart seemed to have its own peculiar logic that frequently diverged from the direction of the autonomic nervous system. The heart appeared to be sending meaningful messages to the brain that it not only understood, but also obeyed (Lacey and Lacey, 1978). Later, neurophysiologists discovered a neural pathway and mechanism whereby input from the heart to the brain could inhi bit or facilitate the brain’s electrical activity (McCraty, 2002) The heart’s magnetic field: Research has also revealed that the heart communicates information to the brain and throughout the body via el ectromagnetic field interactions. The heart generates the body’s most powerful and most extensive rhythmic electromagnetic field. The heart’s m agnetic component is about 500 times stronger than the brain’s magn etic field and can be detected several feet away from the body. It was proposed that, this heart field acts as a carrier wave for information that provides a global synchronizing signal for the entire body (McCraty, Bradley & Tomasino, 2004) Full link to pdf http://www.rcpsych.ac.uk/pdf/Heart,%20Mind%20and%20Spirit%20%20Mohamed%20Salem.pdf I find it all so fascinating to learn and discuss things, everyday is usually a learning experience, so i try not to exclude anything i come across. I'm wired "very curious" and try very hard to understand others thoughts, experiences and discoveries.
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Re: IMMORTALITY (will it ever happen?)
[Re: AlbertoT]
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11/01/13 19:51
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Look at the references he uses to come to this conclusion. It is by no means his own idea and work. We should know by now, that just because something is projected by the "official" academia, does not make it the only theories, or right for that matter, i find it interesting to also pursue those who have been barred or excluded from academia, and that way get a bigger picture than the officially projected one. // To me the heart is the soul and has always been that. Even our languages reflect that. "He's got no heart", "hard hearted", "heart broken", "captured my heart" etc. But i respect others opinion and theories, for out of all the theories at some time we get a theorem.
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