I asked a while ago about using map_subents on WED placed entities and discovered a bug that meant you could only use map_subents on ent_create(d) entities. I'm back at trying to do this again, but I'm confused. Maybe I'm over thinking this, but if you have to ent_create the entities into a level after it's loaded, doesn't that defeat the purpose of map_subents? I'm stumped trying to figure out how to use ent_create and use map_subents, the manual is very unclear to me. Any help would be appreciated at the moment.