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Re: Einstein's Relativity -> Paradoxes [Re: jcl] #77841
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nope, it directly can't because Relativity is bounded by the laws of physics, but it pushs right up to that edge. The boundry between the natrual and unnatrual, light and time.

The problem was Einstein didn't like undefinable factors, as in why he didn't get along well with Quantum Theory which just assumed factors that can't be defined but having set limits. ( how can you have an undefinable factor but it has definable limits?)

Einsteins examination of Minkowski’s Four-Dimensional Space which he assumes the "imaginary" where the rules of 3dimentional space apply to 4th dimentional space, adding in new unknown, but definable factors that lay outside the natural laws of 3Dimentional space but within the laws of 4D space. Our only limitaion then in understanding 4D space is being able to identify the 4D factors.

I think a well known saying fits:

"When you dismiss the impossible, whatever you have left, however improbable, is the answer"

So I think in the end he was trying to do just this. By proving everything else ( of 3D natrual laws), whats left over is the factors in 4D then by scientific study define these improbable factors that define 4D space.

Re: Einstein's Relativity -> Paradoxes [Re: Grimber] #77842
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The quote is from Conan Doyle - and indeed that could have been the motto of the development of Special Relativity.

However, I am not aware of undefinable or improbable factors in physics. Relativity still assumes that space is three dimensional, the forth row in the metric matrix is just time. The "imaginary" factors are also nothing to be worried about. "Imaginary" just means the square root of minus one. Imaginary factors are a very familiar concept to physicists and mathematicians, often used to describe cyclic phenomena in nature, f.i. a pendulum.

Re: Einstein's Relativity -> Paradoxes [Re: jcl] #77843
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However, I am not aware of undefinable or improbable factors in physics.




exactly!!! Nothing, even in Einsteins view was undefinable. if it can be messured or observed, so his arguments against quantum theory. if an unknown has a limits, then how can it be undefinable, by definition of "definition"?

SO anything that can occur, be encountered, experianced HAS to be definable ( even if at first we don't understand it). If we elminate all the definables and still have SOMETHING left over, we want to call it undefinable. But in truth its definable, because we know it is there. We know soemthing is there because we compair everything we encounter to our many messuring sticks. Its bright, dark, tall, small, round, square, fast, slow.......
alerady we are defining the undefined...

we just having assigned an identity to the grouped definitions. Factors of the 4thD are the areas of confusion we have no yardsticks to messure them by, so we also lump them into the 'unknowns'.

So if we can identify all the known defintions what is left over is the undefined 4thD defintions. The definitions that fall out of the scope of Natural Laws of the 3rdD but fall under the natural laws of the 4thD. And then accodring to Einstein we should beable to then identify these unknown 4thD defintions ( with scientifc methodology of observation, compairson, exeramintation etc....) untill we DO have those messuring sticks for the 4thD

Relativity is just a steping stone in the process of elimination

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religion is the search for divine in one self, not to find god, but to to define our own divinity through association to god. ( we hang in higher social circles then the apes )

Philosophy is teh seach for god though asking questions science and scientific methodologies cannot answer.

Science is Ultimatly, the search for god him/her/it self through the process of elimination.

god, we are taught is everything, everwhere, infinate.
so by the proces of elimination by the laws of relativity, nature,the qunatifiable, messurable, identifiable, we elminate everything that can be identified, messured, quantified, understood.

Leaving left over the totaly undefinable, unidentifiable... the aspects etc that are unique... ONLY to god. because we ahve eliminated all the finite, all thats left is the infinate.. god

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