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Re: Jesus Camp film trailer
[Re: Ran Man]
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10/26/06 05:32
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Only if you help me mount this BFG I found. I hear it really does a number to them demons.
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Re: Jesus Camp film trailer
[Re: Ran Man]
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10/26/06 09:43
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Yes, but historically not all the Indians acted the same.
Before or after white men screwed up?
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Re: Jesus Camp film trailer
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10/26/06 13:17
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oh dear, phemox i kno neither of us wants this to turn into an argument, so im not expecting to make u agree with me here, but just clarifying a few things. however, i'd like to point out that many Christians do admit to thinking they were Christians once and knowing they weren't really. most Christians would agree there's a big difference between just saying ur a Christian and being one. secondly, i can almost guarantee that any "Christian" verses promoting violence that u can find are in the Old Testament. it isn't untrue, but it isn't what we Christians believe in doing. all that God wants us to do can be found in the New Testament. if u manage to find any violence promoting verses in the New Testament, read around them for their context. many well known lessons in the New Testament encourage "loving ur enemy", lessons of humility, and even so far as to "turn the other cheek" (tho most people wont actually do this). also, im not saying that those Christians who misunderstand the Bible and do the wrong things are not Christians. they just aren't being very good Christians. it is through spiritual immaturity that they do these things, and they need to mature by reading and meditating on the Bible more. must dash. bed time now. not expecting u to completely agree with me, but im sure u see where i am coming from julz
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Re: Jesus Camp film trailer
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10/26/06 13:44
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Yes, but historically not all the Indians acted the same.
Before or after white men screwed up?
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Both white man and Indians were racist pigs.
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Native American tribes often fought against each other and then when the when the early colonists came, many of the wars became focused on driving the white man out of the land.
http://www.indians.org/articles/arrowheads.html
Those Indians really butchered each other before we got here. It is documented by Mayan writings that the "Maya" Indians even "blood" sacrificed to death their Indian opponents.
No wonder they were called "Savages?"
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Re: Jesus Camp film trailer
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10/26/06 15:35
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also, im not saying that those Christians who misunderstand the Bible and do the wrong things are not Christians.
Well, actually that is exactly what you tried to tell me. Sorry if not, but then I've simply misunderstood you.
@Ran_man: Believe what you like, but just because there have been wars between tribes too, doesn't mean you can justify the butchering that happened once the white people came there. If war (crimes) are a sign of savagery, then take a look at the U.S. ... I know it'll make you feel bad, that's why you wish to deny it, but those indians were victims, not enemies...
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Native American tribes often fought against each other and then when the when the early colonists came, many of the wars became focused on driving the white man out of the land.
They 'often fought against eachother' is a bit exagerated. Yes, there have been some wars between tribes, but not more than we had in that time, probably much less. Chiefs liked to boast about pretty much anything, just look at the numbers in the texts, the amounts mentioned simply aren't possible. The 'historical texts' can't be trusted 100%.
Infact, if you knew a bit more about the Maya and other tribes of that period in time, you would have known that in those times large trading networks existed, pretty much the best sign of a pretty peaceful society. When you are at war, such things are not that easy to maintain.
Blood sacrifice was part of their religion -> I'm not saying it's right, but I do agree with you that religion is a sign of savagery indeed.
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Re: Jesus Camp film trailer
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10/26/06 19:18
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but I do agree with you that religion is a sign of savagery indeed.
Yes, it certainly can be... Hopefully things will get better soon. Perhaps I can help?
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Re: Jesus Camp film trailer
[Re: Ran Man]
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10/26/06 20:39
10/26/06 20:39
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Yes, it certainly can be..
It certainly is ..
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Nobody denies free choice.
Omg ...
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