"You're a funny guy... I can't deny it looks good, but it doesn't beat UT3, ... and I don't quite think it's on par either"

Well , who cares ? It looks AWESOME , and last time I heard , Unreal Tournament 3 had HORRIBLE sales even with it's beautiful graphics , so I would say a game's performance is actually more important than the graphics quality. Same goes for Crysis , it's the most beautiful and technically advanced game out there right now , and also , very low sales. I think it's timme we stop comparing engines to those engines , as it's clear you dont need them to make a good game or money (anyone played serious sam ?). This cube 2 engine looks incredible , and it's free Insane , just downloaded it , goinng to give it a try.