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Have you ever used any other game dev systems.... such as lithtech, genesis 3d , etc.. No engine that i know of has a better model editor than MED... the point of MED is not to make models from scratch.. but to setup models for the game that you made in a real modeling package.. like 3dsmax, milkshape, maya, etc. Yes it has some basic modelling features and simple skinning tools.. but thast not really whats its for.. In this contex, MED is perfectly good...and frankly you should get some idea of you're talking about before blasting a a piece of software

How much they pay you to say that?

MED is beeing sold as a model editing tool.
The point of a model editor is to make models with it from scratch.
No other, that's what it is for (should be for).

If it is so good, why don't you use it then and take to milkshape etc. instead?


Genesis3D does not have it's own model editor. (and they don't sell you something you can't really use either)

Talking about WED like totaly useles tool is something that I can not except.
I learned WED within few weeks and now I have problems only with my creativity, not with something that I can not make in WED. You have BSP boundaries but there will be alvays workarounds. After I learned few realy good advices from Dan's 3AM I became good level maker and I can create almost anything. I can not say nothing about Quark or other tool for level design, but I can tell you that I am sutisfied with WED. And if we get mirroring tool, or arrays it will be great tool.
I am using MED only to bring and to prewiev models before I bring them in wed. It is obviusly that you can not get max for that money.

genesis DOES havea "model editor".. it has basic functionality to setup up the abnimations and such... that what these engine model editors are for.. setting up as model you have imported...adding verteces for attachments ..etc. Every otehr engine i've used has a similar editor..and i've used many. MED is not being billed as an all purpose modelling package.. thast silly. You can make smple models in MED...but come on.. to make a true modelling package is a huge undertaking in itself.. no where on gamestudios website does it say that MED can take the place a full modelling program..only it can be used if you dont have anything else.. but you can get milkshape for free i believe.. or for a small registration fee..

yes exactly.. thats what MED is for too.

I know what you are saying Matt, and that is what many of us use MED for, but it was in fact made as a model editor as well as an Animator/Converter...
I think that is what Troubadix was getting at...

It is all based on user preference...
Some people actually prefer MED to other model editors and I know of a few people which can create some very good models in MED, with very little time. I, cannot really get to use MED, I don't really get how it works, and because of the ammount of time it would take me to learn to use well and create my models, I would rather just load up C4D.

WED however, still based on user perference has generally been more accepted by the community, many users, including myself and others like Dan Silverman, prefer WED to any other app of its type. I have tried using Hammer a few times, but I don't like it anywhere near as much as I do WED, and I know how to make some pretty impressive looking levels with WED, I know what the faults/hard things to do in WED are, but I know how to get around this and create some good looking levels.

To say WED is useless, is your oppinion. But I don't feel that much of the community will agree with you on that one.

To say WED cannot create good looking levels however, is a lie. Proof of this is all over the community, some of the best work is created by Dan Silverman (who makes a living from using WED), just look at some of his work, and tell me if you can say the same again.

I don't wanted to say 3dgs could come without WED and MED. And WED is not overall totally useless, but my opinion is, that get to less for too much work in WED (sorry for the bad english, hope you know what I mean ) Maybe Hammer-Editor is a little more complicated to learn, but if you get to know it a little longer you will find out, that its much more powerfull than WED. I prefer building the objects in other editors and put everything together in WED. This works fine.
Greetingz, HeLioS

Yes, I understand, if that is your oppinion.
But I prefer WED to Hammer, it is not that it is more complex, it is that I do not really have the time to learn it, and to get as good as I am in WED, with Hammer would take me a lot longer.

I am sure that if I get to use it, I will like it, but I am also sure that many MED users could say the same about that. If you get to know MED you might like that.

All of the MED users I know, use that because they used it first, whereas I know a lot of non-MED users, that don't use it, do so because they looked at it, and straight away decided to use something else.

Sorry if that doesn't make much sense to you, I will try and translate it into German if you want, but my German is "Quatsch"