Version 7.03 public beta

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If not using lite-C and ABT, A7 look really like A6, a screen shot cannot tell what different inside. I have A7 Prerelease but I'm still using A6, because:

1. I don't use ABT yet, the map compiler go crazy with my PC.
2. I can't use mtlFX template with lite-C (I hope A7 official release support this).
3. I don't have 3D modeling package support FBX.
4. I am a newbie

It also features a new renderer and is faster than A6. The pro version's BSP will also support concave geometry. I'm not sure if this is going to be supported immediately or will come later, but it has been announced. Anything with A7 next to it on the beta page is an A7 feature, and I'm betting it's safe to assume most forecast features will eventually make it into it (some might make it into A6 but then that means they're in A7 by default).

@Frederick_Lim and all other A7 users: The free Wings3D features FBX export and import, so you could use that if you needed a modeler. The cheap ($20 US) fragMotion will also feature FBX export soon, so there's the answer for rigging and animation. The developer of that program is aware that A7's MED will import it and considers FBX implementation into fragMotion a high priority. Also, Milkshape features FBX export, but I don't know if that horror show has all the bells and whistles of fragMotion.

http://www.wings3d.com/
http://www.fragmosoft.com/

Posted By: Zalon

Re: Version 7.03 public beta - 05/27/07 19:55

Another one, although it's not a bug but a "missing feature" (at least in my eyes):
I use these buttons to the left (appearing after declaration of functions) to hide some lines of code. After saving and reopening a script, the hidden lines will be displayed again i.e. the information will not be saved. That's quite annoying as the code is already covering several pages...

EDIT:

I just found another "bug". Sometimes, on a irregular basis, toggling breakpoints will crash the editor. Again I experienced this with my own code and with some of the tutorials.

Posted By: PrenceOfDarkness

Re: Version 7.03 public beta - 06/02/07 17:05

Has multiplayer yet been activated?

Posted By: majikstan27

Re: Version 7.03 public beta - 06/03/07 19:46

I'm wondering with this new windows vista and there new dirext x version 10 being exclusive to vista, as game studio is written for direct x.
Will the new a7 be still capatible with direct x 9 such as for xp users or wil you be required to get vista which would mean that a new computer would also be the case.
I have heard that the new direct x was only made for vista and not availible to xp etc.

I still have a5 and was wondering if I may be still able to get a7 once it comes out, I have been waiting for a7 but with vista nd the next direct x it looks like I will not be able to continue game studio :-(
Please let me know as soon as possible thanks.

Posted By: ventilator

Re: Version 7.03 public beta - 06/03/07 21:35

you won't need vista for a7.

i am not sure but if i remember correctly jcl or doug said that once they switch to dx10 (which probably won't happen soon!) there will be a parallel dx9 version for a while.

if you want a7 you better upgrade now. if you upgrade a5->a6 before a7 is out you will get a7 for free. afterwards you will have to do an a5->a7 upgrade which is more expensive.

Posted By: lionclaws

Re: Version 7.03 public beta - 06/04/07 08:41

JCL;

I have been away and just saw this :

"The announced A7 prerelease version can be downloaded here:

http://server.conitec.net/gsa7/a7pre.exe

The version is free for users who purchased or upgraded to Gamestudio Extra, Commercial, or Pro since February 2007. You can install the prerelease just like the A6 trial version, and unlock it with your key."

Do I have to pay $450.0 for a pre-release A7 first just to download?.For some reasons my "PASS/USER" will not work.I have A6 PRO and should be able to download a pre-release at least.

Posted By: jcl

Re: Version 7.03 public beta - 06/04/07 11:44

PrenceOfDarkness: C-Script multiplayer works as before, only send_var is not supported under lite-C. The new functions are not yet implemented.

majikstan27: Don't worry, A7 will still run under ME, 2000, XP, and DX9.

lionclaws: An A7 prerelease trial version will be available in a couple of weeks.

Posted By: xXxGuitar511

Re: Version 7.03 public beta - 06/04/07 21:15

trial will be free...

Posted By: jcl

Re: Version 7.03 public beta - 06/05/07 06:24

http://www.coniserver.net/ubbthreads/sho...0&fpart=all

Posted By: ello

Re: Version 7.03 public beta - 06/05/07 12:59

holla, this is a great start.. "acknex.exe hat ein problem festgestellt und muss beendet werden"

dies passiert beim starten von z.b.: og_cube.c, og_harmonic2.c, d3dsample03.c usw..
warum??

Posted By: jcl

Re: Version 7.03 public beta - 06/05/07 13:44

Das ist schwer zu beantworten, bevor Sie Naeheres ueber Ihr Problem mitteilen, also welches Programm genau unter welchen Umstaenden bei Ihnen abstuerzt.

Wenn mehrere Programme bei Ihnen nicht laufen, versuchen Sie eine Systematik herauszufinden. Wenn z.B. auf Ihrem PC alle OpenGL Programme abstuerzen, aber alles andere laeuft, ist vermutlich mit Ihrer OpenGL Library etwas nicht in Ordnung. Auch waere es gut zu wissen, ob Sie mit diesen Programmen erst in dieser Version oder auch schon vorher Probleme hatten.

Posted By: ello

Re: Version 7.03 public beta - 06/05/07 14:10

es sind s�mtliche ogl beispiele im work folder, aber auch die d3d... beispiele.

earthball.c , mandelbrot.c funktionieren

ogl wird auf diesem rechner auch bei anderen 3d programmen benutzt.

Posted By: jcl

Re: Version 7.03 public beta - 06/05/07 14:29

Funktioniert mandelbrot legacy?

Posted By: ello

Re: Version 7.03 public beta - 06/05/07 14:38

nein

Posted By: jcl

Re: Version 7.03 public beta - 06/05/07 15:59

Ok, dann hat es nichts mit der DirectX oder OpenGL Library zu tun. Etwas in Ihrer Installation ist kaputt.

Funktionierten diese Programme mit der Betaversion, oder gingen sie auf Ihrem PC noch nie?

Posted By: ello

Re: Version 7.03 public beta - 06/05/07 16:13

wenn ichs mit dem sed aus dem betaordner starte (sed nr 7.02.3) dann funktioniert es

nehme ich den sed aus dem a7 ordner welcher interessanter weise auch nr. 7.02.3 hat, dann funktioniert es nicht

Posted By: jcl

Re: Version 7.03 public beta - 06/05/07 17:40

Der SED ist der gleiche, aber die Ordner haben verschiedene Inhalte. Ok, aber das gibt mir schon einmal einen Anhaltspunkt, da das Problem offenbar nur Legacy Programme betrifft.

Posted By: ello

Re: Version 7.03 public beta - 06/06/07 07:05

Hallo, ich habe nun mal ausprobiert den Inhalt des lite_c Ordners aus dem beta-Verzeichniss in den work-Ordner des gstudio7 zu kopieren (vorher gesichert und entleert)

der Absturz kommt trotzdem.

btw, was bedeutet das legacy in diesem Zusammenhang?

Posted By: jcl

Re: Version 7.03 public beta - 06/06/07 08:19

Legacy bedeutet, dass der C-Code einfach nur compiliert und ausgefuehrt wird, ohne dass die Engine (acknex.dll) benutzt wird. Details finden Sie im Handbuch.

Der Lite-C Ordner im Beta-Verzeichnis ist mit dem A7 Lite-C Ordner identisch, so dass das Kopieren nichts bringt. Ich vermute, dass in Ihrer A7-Installation eine Datei beschaedigt ist. Interessant waere es aber, wenn Sie sich die offizielle Lite-C Version von http://www.3dgamestudio.com/litec.htm installieren und es damit probieren. Diese enthaelt naemlich die gleiche Engine-Version wie das A7 Prerelease.

Posted By: ello

Re: Version 7.03 public beta - 06/06/07 08:26

mit der lite-c version funktioniert es.

wie bekomme ich denn nun eine fehlerfreie installation? der downloadlink war ja von der element5 webseite. haben die da was falsches hochgeladen?

w�re es f�r's erste ausreichend die a7pre.exe aus dem prerelease thread herunterzuladen?

Posted By: ello

Re: Version 7.03 public beta - 06/06/07 08:50

nein, auch das funktioniert nicht.

warum hat sonst keiner dieses Problem?

Posted By: jcl

Re: Version 7.03 public beta - 06/06/07 09:36

Die Version von Element5 ist identisch mit der a7pre.exe - ich werde aber nochmal testen, ob diese Datei beschaedigt ist.

Ich schlage vor, dass Sie auf 7.04 warten, die in einigen Tagen zur Verfuegung stehen wird. Bis dahin koennen Sie Legacy programme mit Lite-C testen und erstellen. Ihr A7 Key schaltet auch Lite-C zu einer Vollversion frei.

Posted By: ello

Re: Version 7.03 public beta - 06/06/07 09:38

Posted By: Team_GamesArk

Re: Version 7.03 public beta - 06/06/07 14:11

Hi JCL,

also ich habe auch das Problem was Ello hat, ich kann auch keins der
Legacy Scripts ohne Absturz starten. Allerdings hatte ich das Problem auch
kurzfristig bei einem Puremode Script, was ich wie folgt l�sen konnte:

Ich mu�te folgendes �ndern ->

long MessageBox(HWND,char *,char *,long);
MessageBox = DefineApi("user32!MessageBoxA");

in ->

long MessageBox(HWND,char *,char *,long);
#define PRAGMA_API MessageBoxA;user32!MessageBoxA

und schon lief mein Script wieder.

Das gilt aber nur f�r Gamestudio 7.x in der Beta 6.60.2 und in LiteC 1.03
l�uft es ohne Ver�nderung. Ich hoffe das hilft etwas.

Frank

Posted By: Felixsg

Re: Version 7.03 public beta - 06/06/07 21:48

The sed continuos crash testint the .c code in the work folder
also not work the car level only from wed in the sed are a black screen
the samples only work the earthdemo the other carsh

Posted By: Frits

Re: Version 7.03 public beta - 06/10/07 10:20

I have updated from A6 Com. to A7 Com. yesterday and received the key file already a few hours later, thanks for that.
Only thing is that I hat to uncheck, in Outlook Express --> Tools --> Options --> tab Security, the checkbox 'Do not allow attachments to be saved or opened that could potentially be a virus', otherwise I could not use this file (it was greyed out).
Could you please mention that in the e-mail?

Posted By: Frits

Re: Version 7.03 public beta - 06/10/07 10:25

Like mentioned in the e-mail I updated the SED file to see my userneme and password.
Now I have updated to the latest public version (7.02.3) and my username and password are not showing anymore.
Is this a bug or am I not allowed to update to this version or must I update with the file mentioned in the e-mail again?

Posted By: Frits

Re: Version 7.03 public beta - 06/10/07 10:27

When I try to use PanelEdit in SED --> PlugIns, Sed shrinks to its original format and no PanelEditor is showing only SED.

Posted By: Lukas

Re: Version 7.03 public beta - 06/11/07 18:54

@Tempelbauer

Ok, here is a screenshot of the new WED:

Posted By: jcl

Re: Version 7.03 public beta - 06/12/07 07:55

A7 does not contain a Panel Editor. The "PanelEdit" source was just an example of how to create SED plugins for A6. An A7 panel editor is planned as an improved version of PanelEdit, but we haven't developed it yet.

Posted By: jcl

Re: Version 7.03 public beta - 06/12/07 09:04

Sure, you need the latest SED for this - as mentioned in the email. The 7.03 SED is not the latest.

Posted By: Frits

Re: Version 7.03 public beta - 06/12/07 12:05

Ok, thanks jcl.

Posted By: Frits

Re: Version 7.03 public beta - 06/13/07 09:48

I copied a level, designed in A6, to A7, build it, but it won't show up in fullscreen and video_mode=8.
In my script there are the two variables that should take care of that;
var video_mode=8;
var video_screen=1;
(for the moment I still using c-script, later I will change this to Lite-C)
I only can change the videomode with F5 (toggles between 6 and 7) and change the videoscreen with Alt-Enter.
Is this some kind of bug or am I doing something wrong?
It all worked fine with A6.

Posted By: Frits

Re: Version 7.03 public beta - 06/13/07 09:54

When I had copied a level (designed in A6) to A7 some of my geometry has rotated 90 degrees. When I rotate it to its normal position, build the level, then these items are rotated 90 degrees in the game?
What can I do about that?

Posted By: Poison

Re: Version 7.03 public beta - 06/13/07 11:03

This is a bug jcl says in the next update of A7 it should be debugt

Posted By: Frits

Re: Version 7.03 public beta - 06/13/07 12:19

Wich one is the bug, screen isue or rotate isue?

Posted By: old_bill

Re: Version 7.03 public beta - 06/13/07 12:59

The rotation issue.

Posted By: Sam_Be

Re: Version 7.03 public beta - 06/13/07 13:11

hi
ih have an other but.
when i want to compile a level and there are some errors which are not critical the comiler stays in place and dont work forward. in a6 i can compile the level.
sam

Posted By: jcl

Re: Version 7.03 public beta - 06/13/07 13:35

Yes, the C compiler stops at the first error. This is because this error causes a lot of subsequent errors, so the script won't compile any further. I already have on my list an improvement so that the compiler continues despite errors. This is not trivial however and might take some time.

Frits: In C, all variables, including video_mode, must be set in a function. If you're not yet familiar with lite-C, best use the tutorial for an introduction, or read the "C-Script to lite-C" page.

Posted By: Frits

Re: Version 7.03 public beta - 06/13/07 14:25

Thanks jcl, so if I understand correctly I can't use the 'old' C-Script anymore with A7 or does it only effect the variables?
I find it strange, because all my other variables seems to function correct and like I said I don't use Lite-C yet.

Posted By: ello

Re: Version 7.03 public beta - 06/13/07 14:48

c-script works as before but you can use lite-c if you please

Posted By: Frits

Re: Version 7.03 public beta - 06/13/07 15:12

If C-Script works as before, why don't the variabels;
var video_mode=8;
var video_screen=1;
do there job like in A6?
I'm confused here, jcl wrote 'In C, all variables, including video_mode, must be set in a function.' I thought this is only for Lite-C and not for C-Script.

Posted By: D3D

Re: Version 7.03 public beta - 06/13/07 17:24

I found it a little confusing too. All variables must be in a function?
A7.03 SED 7.02.4

Code:

// Lite-C Pure Mode
// main.c
#include <acknex.h>
#include <default.c>

var fps_max = 60; // <- this var must be in a function?

void main()
{
	screen_color.red = 125; //  <- doesn't work, stays blue?
	level_load("world.wmb");
	wait(3);
}

Posted By: Sam_Be

Re: Version 7.03 public beta - 06/13/07 21:01

hi
i'm back here.^^
i have eliminated all error and the compiler runs ok until the end. here:

this [censored] dives me creacy. why does the compiler in the public beta not work!!????
sam

Posted By: jcl

Re: Version 7.03 public beta - 06/14/07 06:24

The compiler in the beta version is indeed not yet fully finished. If you don't use the new features like geometry import, you can just copy the old compiler - the wwmp2wmb.exe file - from your A6 version into your A7 folder.

Still, we're interested in any levels that cause problems with the new compiler. If you want you can send that level to the support - we'll look into the problem.

- To avoid confusion: In C-Script, variables like video_mode _must_ be redefined outside the main function.

var video_mode=7;
var fps_max = 60;
on_esc = game_end;

In lite-C this won't work, all variables must set inside a function, and in case of video modes they must be set _before_ the first wait (because the video device is created after the first frame).

function main()
{
video_mode=7;
fps_max = 60;
on_esc = game_end;
...
wait(1);
}

See: http://manual.conitec.net/litec_migration.htm

Posted By: Sam_Be

Re: Version 7.03 public beta - 06/14/07 06:41

hi
thanks for reply. could you explain how to copy the compiler better please?? do i have to copy only the exe file??
an where can i send my level to? and in what problem do you mean with "look into the problem"?^^
thanks anyway
sam

PS i think it would be easyer for us if we'd write in german.^^

Posted By: Frits

Re: Version 7.03 public beta - 06/14/07 07:08

I am using C-Script for now in A7 (because I copied the complete level from A6) and did not change anything in the script but the variables
var video_mode=8;
var video_screen=1;
(outside the main function) will not work.
In A6 they work fine.
Must I conclude that this is a bug?

Posted By: jcl

Re: Version 7.03 public beta - 06/14/07 07:26

As you can see when you start any C-Script project, like Techdemo, video_mode works in 7.03 just as in 6.60.

Posted By: Frits

Re: Version 7.03 public beta - 06/14/07 11:38

Could be, but for me it doesn't work.
I had never tried the Techdemo, so now I have.
Will not run at all, gives errors (to start with; in doors.wdl).
I tried the Techdemo in A6 (6.60)

Posted By: jcl

Re: Version 7.03 public beta - 06/14/07 12:22

When you get error messages, examine in which files they happen. This gives you hints for the reason of the problem - like missing or outdated files in your installation. I have not enough information to help you here, but you should be able to fix this, at least by re-installing 6.40 and re-updating to 6.60.

If you can't get it to run, describe your problem in "Ask Conitec" - I'll help you then. This thread is about A7 and your C-Script problems are probably unrelated.

Posted By: vlau

Re: Version 7.03 public beta - 06/14/07 17:24

For system variable like video_mode, video_depth : put
them inside a function and without the keyword "var".

For user define "global" variables like var myVar, yourVar... etc. put
them outside any functions just like usual. See an exammple from liteC
Workshop->Workdshop 23->script23.c.

I hope I can help to make it clear.

Posted By: Frits

Re: Version 7.03 public beta - 06/15/07 07:55

No no, I will explain it once more;
- I made a level in A6 (ofcource with C-Script).

Part of C-Script:
var video_mode=8; //1024 * 768 screen resolution
var video_depth=32; //D3D mode
var video_screen=1; //1=full screen, 2=window

- I copied that level to A7.
- I did not change anything in C-Script.
- I did not change the script into Lite_C.
- I build the level with A7.

When run, the part of C-Script (see above) does not affect the screen.
video_mode keeps default (6)
video_screen keeps default (2)

Now that is the problem, In A6 it works perfect and in A7 it does not.
Please help.

Posted By: jcl

Re: Version 7.03 public beta - 06/15/07 08:10

Frits: I understood your problem, but I don't have a ready solution because I have not enough information. When you use C-Script, there is no difference between A7 and A6.60. A7.03 just uses the very same A6 engine version as A6.60. Video_mode just works as before, as you can easily see when you start any C-Script project with A7. Almost all projects use video_mode.

You had reported script errors, so I think something's wrong with your installation anyway - see my answer above. Or it's a strange A7 error that no one else except you has experienced so far.

I'll be away next week, so I can't help you in the next days. But after my return - if your problem has then not meanwhile fixed itself - we'll walk through your installation process and have a closer look at your error messages. I think we'll find out what's wrong.

Posted By: Frits

Re: Version 7.03 public beta - 06/15/07 08:18

Thanks jcl, but the errors I have mentioned are not in my level but in the Techdemo.
But I will design a new level under A7, maybe something goes wrong when you copy an A6 level.

EDIT
I have made a brand new level in A7 and add some C-Script for the screen and a player.
Even now the screen keeps its default values and will not change to my desired screen resolution and to full screen.
I have no clue at all why this is not working in A7, I have no problem with this in A6.

Posted By: ello

Re: Version 7.03 public beta - 06/15/07 15:58

frits, are you sure you started the right sed? if you use winXP and the recent used programs, it could be you started the wrong sed and thus not the right engine, just because the icons change.

it just happened to me, i got a black window , no errormessage.
maybe thats what is happening to you?

Posted By: Frits

Re: Version 7.03 public beta - 06/16/07 07:42

Yes, I use the right SED and I don't have the problem you described.

Posted By: Sam_Be

Re: Version 7.03 public beta - 06/22/07 21:11

hi
i have a question about a7. ist the A7 engine going to be faster then tha A6 engine??
sam

Posted By: Frits

Re: Version 7.03 public beta - 06/25/07 12:24

Hi jcl, your back I see.
As a follow up for my problem I made a hollow cube in A7, put in a position and made a simple script in C-Script;
var video_mode=8; //1024 * 768 screen resolution
var video_depth=32; //D3D mode
var video_screen=1; //1=full screen, 2=window

When I build and run this the video_mode keeps its default value = 6 and the video_screen also keeps its default value = 2.

So my A7 does not react att all at the vars.
Can you shed any light on this, is it me or is it A7?

Posted By: jcl

Re: Version 7.03 public beta - 06/25/07 12:37

I don't know - I admit that your problem doesn't make any sense to me.

No one else had any problems with video modes so far, but on the other hand I can't see how someone can make a mistake with simply setting a video mode. Maybe it's a bug that for some reason only occurs in your configuration.

I suggest that you follow my first advice and check whether the problem only happens with your own scripts, or also with normal projects like techdemo. If so, please post about it on "Ask Conitec" or the bug forum and include your complete script and the acklog. That could give us a hint what's happening. I think we'll get this sorted out quite soon.

Posted By: Poison

Re: Version 7.03 public beta - 06/25/07 12:50

hello jcl
when is the forecast updating im wating and waiting and it isnt
date up.

Posted By: jcl

Re: Version 7.03 public beta - 06/25/07 13:07

Usually monthly.

Posted By: CBSection31

Re: Version 7.03 public beta - 06/27/07 18:23

Just a quick note that, after about two hours of testing, I am having the same problem that Sam_Be is having and also the same problem that Frits is having.

The problem Sam_Be and I are having is a compiler crash for certain levels that compiled fine in A6.

The problem that Frits and I are having is the engine not running full-screen despite our code stating it should.

Posted By: D3D

Re: Version 7.03 public beta - 06/27/07 18:43

Have not tried C-script much with A7, but with Lite-C I don't have problems running full screen or setting video modes.

Code:

#include <acknex.h>
#include <default.c>

STRING* MyAppTitle = "Yet Another Lite-C Application";

function main()
{
	video_mode = 7; // 800x600
	video_screen = 0;
	video_window(vector(375,350,0),NULL,112,MyAppTitle);
	screen_color.blue = 125;
	
	level_load("world.wmb");
	wait(2);
}

Maybe you have set the command -wnd in WED/SED/VC?

Posted By: CBSection31

Re: Version 7.03 public beta - 06/27/07 19:36

^
Yup, it turned out to be -wnd for me. It was set that way by default with the new engine. Once I removed that from the command prompt, it worked fine. Thanks!

I still have the compilation crash, though.

Posted By: Lukas

Re: Version 7.03 public beta - 07/03/07 18:51

When will 7.04 be released?

Posted By: D3D

Re: Version 7.03 public beta - 07/04/07 06:29

Very soon

Version 7.03 public beta