Christian Cafe'

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I hate it when people talk about religeon on the forums

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O com'on guitarist.
Religion and/or God is eternal .

In contrast, we are lucky if our games last for ten years, but God lasts forever.
Ain't it worth talking about?

@ Kinji
Hey, it's "Kinji the great" from Missisippi. Welcome back bro.
But, I'm not very opinionated on those subjects below. I guess... Hmmmnnn...

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1) Deity of Christ? Is he the Father, Son and Holyghost all wrapped up in one?
Is there 3 triune Gods? Trinity. Or a very uncommon belief but is there 2? The Father and the Son and the Holyghost is the spirit of God.

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2) Is the true chosen of God the people that are in the "state" of Israel or is Christians the true Israel?

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I don't think that God has abandomed them. Because God does not abandon totally His people ever. I don't think God is like that. Therefore, Israel is still His people, but right now they seem to be missing the blessings of the Spirit?

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3) The 10 commandments.. do we follow them still? A "must" or not needed. Whats your opinion?

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Well Gee, I don't know. I admit to not follow a "Saturday" sabbath and I still eat ham, eggs and stuff.
But, it's probably good to follow them as best as possible, you think so?

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4) Are we required this day and age to tithe 10%. If not, why do you think so?

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Yeah, I think so.

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5) The Antichrist. Is he one man or a group of people? Or a spirit even? Does he exist today?

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I think he's probably one man ruling a world system.
I think "radical" Islam will play a big role in this and the christian church is just missing the boat.
Why?

Well because I don't see atheist, buddhist or anybody else trying to conquer the world by force in such a religious manner like the anti-christ is supposed to do. Who is it?

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6) At what stage of revelation are we in? Surly this is the last days. Observation of the world today as compared to when I was a kid shows major changes in morals, attitude, etc. Where do you think we are right now?

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Hmmmmn, I'm not sure. I would say that when we see Europe converted to Islam and then the pope would make an alliance with them to conquer Israel, then we are all going to be into some deep horse doo-doo.
Because, when they try to take down Israel, then it's Meggido and we are going to be really messed up down here. lol

But, I don't know.
What is your opinion on these 6 subjects Kinji?

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I sure as f*ck did not come from a monkey.

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I can understand if you want to find your own way, but that doesn't explain why you hate it when others believe in Christianity and want to discuss those beliefs. You're not just trying to find your own way, you're offended by religion. Do you mind if I ask why?

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Off course, I'm not a Christian, but I've got some questions anyways, since these topics are interesting to some extent.

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Well because I don't see atheist, buddhist or anybody else trying to conquer the world by force in such a religious manner like the anti-christ is supposed to do. Who is it?

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Because God does not abandon totally His people ever. I don't think God is like that.

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4) Are we required this day and age to tithe 10%. If not, why do you think so?

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As long as it's for charity for which it's meant and not for the churches private gold supply, why not... However, when looking at the Vatican, ... enough said, right?

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Ain't it worth talking about?

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I'd say yes it's worth it, however, it depends on the amount of uh ridiculousness I think.

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Maybe because most religions dealing with fear and ignorance and not with love and truth?

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You're not just trying to find your own way, you're offended by religion. Do you mind if I ask why?

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Because I feel that religeon is a crutch for the weak. I believe in Christ and Christianity, I simply choose to go against it. I have no soul, no faith, just hatred for man.

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I feel that religeon is a crutch for the weak.

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Yes, but we all ARE indeed weak.
We only think we are strong, but we are not.

You could die from disease or accident at any time.

No offense, but we humans are very "big-headed", when we think we are strong.

We all can and will die. Only God is strong, everything else is just weak flesh.

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you know 'a false prophet'

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Because I feel that religeon is a crutch for the weak. I believe in Christ and Christianity, I simply choose to go against it. I have no soul, no faith, just hatred for man.

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Do you have a reason why you have chosen to go against it íf you dó believe in it? It sounds both weird and interesting at the same time.

I don't think it's for the weak, or perhaps it is, but at least it "works" for them, so I guess it's a good thing*, right?

Cheers

*not always, since it's also easy for others to take advantage of 'the weak' in whichever way.

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Well, wouldn't it make sense considering Satan's (=the anti-christ right?) alleged treacherous nature that he's actually one of the Christians, you know 'a false prophet', a 'new messiah'?

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I don't want to attack this opinion, but it's quite an assumption. What comes to my mind is also the fact that according to many Jews had a curse of being prosecuted, terminated and what more. What God would allow that to happen to 'his chosen people'?

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As long as it's for charity for which it's meant and not for the churches private gold supply, why not... However, when looking at the Vatican, ... enough said, right?

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Maybe because most religions dealing with fear and ignorance and not with love and truth?

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Because I feel that religeon is a crutch for the weak. I believe in Christ and Christianity, I simply choose to go against it. I have no soul, no faith, just hatred for man.

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You're right about Catholicism, that was exactly my point, but yeah, in Europe Catholicism is considered to be a 'Christian' religion, that's a bit off perhaps when comparing to the American view I think.

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Worshipping false gods, adultry, murder and so on.

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he transforms himself into a angel of light.

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As for churches controlling the mob with fear tactics..

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What would that look like in practice? What's your definition of 'angel'. Can we see those or are those ghostly beings? (As you'll understand, I'm just curious, I don't believe in angels at all)

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If you're talking about the 30s, I think it has probably been the other way around.

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For Israel? They are not actually Gods chosen now. They lost it. Jesus made this very clear. Check the second post I made here for my reasons of thinking this.

Jesus Christ is Israel.. those that follow Him are the chosen. Paul also made this very clear.

Sorry if I misunderstood the question.

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just saying that this is a example of how very bad things can be made to look like very good things.

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I don't like it when people try and convince/push you into a religeon.

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It's been a long time since I've felt happy. Now all I feel is sick, dying inside.

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Maybe I've sold my soul for hatred, and from that comes strength. To never give in, to always push.

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Alright, storytime. The most random [censored] thats happened to me... well, maybe not, but still, wtf?

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In a way that's why I don't "trust" the bible, even if the stories would be true (I mean historical).

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I hardly doubt you have sold your soul.

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At what stage of revelation are we in? Surly this is the last days.

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Hey Guitarist,

There ain't no selling point. There is no CARDINAL sin.
Even if you did sell your soul, you can turn it to whichever way you want it to be.

I used to see, hear and talk to demons every day and I changed, so anybody can do the same.
I'm not special, but just an average human.
Hear my Rock music at the link below.

http://www.noahsadventures.com/downloads/gameinside.mp3


@ Kinji,

I'm not sure bro, but God is probably not done with Israel yet.
If so, then the Romans would have killed them off.
Or Hitler or the old popes or somebody would have killed off all the Jews. It's not natural to keep getting attacked and then to survive.

Look at the vandals, the Byzantines, and others. They got attacked and died off, but not the Jews.

Instead, we see a group of people that we call "Jews" and they insist on being distinct from any other culture.

This "Distinct" quality that they have is a "spiritual" matter.

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Who was Jesus talking to in (john 8:41) ?

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John 8:13 The Pharisees challenged him , "Here you are, appearing as your own witness; your testimony is not valid." 14 Jesus answered, "Even

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When was the Israelites stripped of their calling? Check out (matt 21:43)

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Matthew 21:45
When the chief priests and the Pharisees heard Jesus' parables, they knew he was talking about them.

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So, he's talking to the religious leaders once again.

But, I agree they are not blessed "spiritually" right now for sure. Maybe in the future, but not right now.

@ Matt,
He's talking about the biblical book of "Revelation".
It's a book about future prophecy and it's in the bible.

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What the hell is wrong with you?

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I actually liked how someone made a thread to really talk about religion, instead of just trying to start another back-and-forth war.. Happy chatting

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We all can and will die. Only God is strong, everything else is just weak flesh.

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I say serve Him out of love with fear and respect.

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just looking at the actions of a country that boasts to be founded on Christianity.

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Do you realise how much money you can make this way? Just make the deamons tell you something about the future

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Yeah, I agree, but I tried that years ago!
I did ask them many questions and they talked a lot.

But, what I found out was, that they are just like us!
They don't know the future!
I asked them "technical" questions about the mechanics in my car and also the electronics at my job at company then caled "Microdata".

And guess what?
THEY DID NOT KNOW THE CORRECT ANSWER! I found that myself knew mnre then they did on most topics. Strange, huh>

Conclusion:
Only God knows the future and the technology. Only He knows it all.
The "invisible angels" <both good and bad ones> are only spirit beings that go around and talk and get entertained by us humans. They read these forums too, don't think they don't. This stuff is "entertainment" to them.
They only turn VISIBLE after special permission is given to them.

Btw, do NOT ever call them. If you call them and you cannot see them, it is because GOD is protecting you from them! Please do NOT do this. For reasons of your health and sanity, don't do it.

@guitarist
sorry, I guess I'm only an "amateur" songwriter.
Does this mean that I will not win the AMERICAN IDOL songwriter competition?

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I don't see them anymore, because I asked God to help me and He did.

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A friend of mine says he sees ghosts too, he also promised me to tell me and point to it whenever he saw one when I was around. He never ever saw a ghost when I was around. That makes you wonder, don't you think?

The problem with these claims, especially when people 'suddenly' don't see or hear these 'demons' anymore is the total lack of evidence. It could very well be all inside the head. Perhaps your believe in God simply made you realize that, however that would mean you've convinced yourself it's not real or something. How can you ignore these things if you really can see them? I can't see how any God would change what you see with your eyes, so it must have been in your head all along,

Cheers

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A friend of mine says he sees ghosts too, he also promised me to tell me and point to it whenever he saw one when I was around. He never ever saw a ghost when I was around. That makes you wonder, don't you think?

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LOL Well no, not really wondering at all.

The way it works is that it is HARDER for them to appear with more people around.

Harder?

Well, yes, harder in the sense that they need special "permission" to become visible to a person.
They cannot just do whatever they want, or else they would be GODS like the ancient peoples thought they were.


They will not appear when you are around, because you are protected right now. Yes, Phemox is protected by GOD.

and GOD will not let you see them! Because, they do not belong to you in the supernatural.

This is the way that NORMAL people are bro. God protects them! This makes us all NORMAL. Or else we would all by Psycho's running around killing and doing terrible un-thinkable deeds. <Just like in Noah's time.>

God also, protected me at first too and I was a "atheist". They did not appear immediately to me. It took months for them to start appearing at will.

But, thank God he came back to me and started protecting me again. Hooray! Yep, it's good to be NORMAL again.

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The way it works is that it is HARDER for them to appear with more people around.

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I see, okey fair enough, eventhough it does sound like back paddling to me in a way.

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Yes, Phemox is protected by GOD.

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Well, God must have thought "if you can't beat them, join them" then ... Wait a minute, that's a scary thought actually.

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This is the way that NORMAL people are bro.

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Right, but I'm not quite normal, I figured that out long ago reading other people's minds, levitating stuff and walking across the water.

Cheers

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Well, God must have thought "if you can't beat them, join them" then ...

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GOD will not let you see them

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I asked them "technical" questions about the mechanics in my car and also the electronics at my job at company then caled "Microdata".

And guess what?
THEY DID NOT KNOW THE CORRECT ANSWER!

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Shame on him.. So much for free will

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lol No offense, but:

You know not what you ask for.

God already knows that you will regret calling for them.

It's like if your child insist on walking in front of a train. Would you let them do it?

About free will:

Yes, you have a free will, but also the angels <all around you> also have a free will. What demons want is bad for humans, so God says "I'M FOR LARRY!" and he often forgets the desires of the demonic ones, in favor of good for you.

If they come, they don't want to ever leave you.
But, you will wish that they would leave you.

They don't sleep <spirits>, so they keep you awake all night or give you violent nightmares, when you do manage to sleep.

They will threaten and cuss you out constantly.

You will SEE them and HEAR their evil and then you will tell them to LEAVE and GET OUT! But they will only laugh at you and claim you as their slave.

If you telll another human, then everyone will think you are crazy. Trust me, it's a bad feeling.

Yes, God protects ALL of us for a good reason.
If not, then we end up in "insane assylums", because the educated doctors their are blind to the patients experiences. So, they give them drugs, because the doctors are ignorant.

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If you telll another human, then everyone will think you are crazy.

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It's like if your child insist on walking in front of a train. Would you let them do it?

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Where did God come from ?

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Yes, well God is a SPIRIT being.

So, everything physical is created at some point. With a SPIRIT that neither rusts nor decays, then it IS forever and needs not to be created.

How can a SPIRIT entity die, for example? It has no heart, lungs or brain, yet only has a consciousness. How will it ever get old? Can we say it is 100 years old? By what time standard? It could be a thousand or a million years old, what is to say otherwise?

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no-one really cared about what Satan has to say... maybe he's not all bad, who knows..

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Yes, well they were not all 100% wicked.
Some of them seemed outright nice, but they were very depressed. Yes, very depressed indeed, probably because they screwed up in their choice and are now headed for hell for it.

Others were partially evil and some others were 100% pure evil. Those are the ones that I remember most! UGGH!

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You seem to be respectful even when you do not agree, a good heart from first glance, strong minded.. even when a bit off. lol He deals with us all and we all have a calling, some more than others. I would have to say that you remind me of Paul.

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Thank you. Yeah, my respect is in fact for real, not just because I'm curious. I admit it's sometimes very tempting to stop being respectful. Often Christian people in my vicinity suddenly stop talking the moment I say I don't believe in God, nor Christ nor the Bible, but am interested in it anyways hehehe. They don't understand it's simply part of my 'knowledge hungriness'.

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It has no heart, lungs or brain, yet only has a consciousness.

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While I never experienced any of this, when you look at some of the crazy people in the world who do very crazy acts, you have to wonder if their possessed.

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Insane people are simply insane, not possessed. Not every insane person actually becomes a serial-killer, some simply are crazy, their brains just 'don't tick right'. There's no reason to assume they are possessed, some even are good Christians too despite their craziness, so that would rule it out actually. I even know someone who apparently has the entire Bible content in his head and speaks out Biblical verses almost 24/7. Definitely crazy, but kinda strange if he would be possessed.

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The majority of the time it's people who are doing lots of drugs, very depressed, and have a pretty tough go at life

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Or maybe there child predators, with multiple repeat offenses. Somethings screwed up mentally, and they sure weren't born this way, yet they can't get rid of their very serious mental state.

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The minority were Christians, almost always born again in their late 20's or so, and they said it was during their worst time in life, usually not explaining the rest of their stories or what they did to deserve this. The thing about these people is once born again Christians, there usually the most jumpy in Churches, always preaching at the top of their lungs and the such even before taking the time to think what their saying over.

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John 4:24
God is spirit , and his worshipers must worship in spirit and in truth." 25

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Lol, don't underestimate the effects of drugs, especially certain harddrugs, but even cannabis.

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Hmmnn, yes LSD and drugs in the "Hallucunogenic" category, can only open up your spirit to the spirit beings all around you now.

Unfortunately, this is a BAD experience for lots of people, because demons are also here and they ain't typically nice folks.

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God is something that we couldnt possibly understand. Spriti or not.. He goes beyond that. Our wisdom.. even our wisest men are simply foolish to God. He is now and has always been. If I explained to you how long eternity is, could you grasp it? You cannot grasp the fullness of God and who He is just like you cannot grasp that there was no beginning of time. Try to imagine it.. do the math in your head. Now that we are talking about it.. I dont think that it is fair to say God is a Spirit. He created spirits.

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I agree that there are things that we can never grasp with our logical brain
but why do you need the concept of God to explain all this ?..why dont u assume
that it was created without any creator ? and if you say that you need something to create others then who created God ?..back to square one

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Hmmnn, yes LSD and drugs in the "Hallucunogenic" category, can only open up your spirit to the spirit beings all around you now.

Unfortunately, this is a BAD experience for lots of people, because demons are also here and they ain't typically nice folks.

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Well, I never saw any spirits, just a lot of colors and a overly bright world around me spinning in a strange slow motion fashion eventhough I stood still. (I don't use drugs on a regular basis, but I did some of them once)

By the way, you are aware that the hallucinogenic world is far from reality and we simply poison our brains which causes this distorted and weird experience. It's not a gate to another dimension or something.

Cheers

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I agree that there are things that we can never grasp with our logical brain
but why do you need the concept of God to explain all this ?..

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and if you say that you need something to create others then who created God ?..back to square one

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Exactly my point. You cannot comprehend that time has no limits. Your brain doesnt work that way. We can say "infinate" yet we cannot imagine it.

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We cannot see how God has always been because we cannot get past the time part of it. To us there must be a beginning and end of everything because thats all we know.

Ok, I'll stop rambling. ;-) You cannot figure out God. None of us can but I do know He exists.

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True, but as long as nothing indicates he exists and as long as there's no communication or whatever other form of interaction it's simply impossible to even start figuring out anything. You've got to understand that 'we' deal with this "idea of God" and don't share your faith in him or think to know he exists. Without any evidence it's simply impossible to say anything.

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Another way I look at it is like so: If you are right then me and you both have nothing to lose. Life ends and we poof and simply do not exist anymore.

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This sounds horribly opportunistic to me, I really can't believe in something "just in case it turns out to be true". That simply doesn't feel right, nor does it make sense actually. If God really knows all, he'd send you to hell perhap just for that. Even if we assume he exists, we still know nothing about what will actually happen when the 'lights go out'. Nobody ever survived dying, you see?

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If a man chooses to not believe and lives a life full of sin, he is damned to hell. So this day the man starts to burn because of the hatred and many bad things in his life. Now imagine a solid steel ball. A very large one.. about the size of our planet. Shiny, perfectly round. One man sits on the very top of this ball. In his hand he has a feather. He is very slowly brushing the feather on the steel ball. So heres my thought.. the ball is the same size as the earth and the feather is slowly rubbed against one small spot beside the man. By the time it takes that man to brush a hole completely through the steel "planet" to the other side.. even then eternity would just be getting "started" for that man in hell.

Turn your stove on and let the burner get so hot that it turns a glowing red. Now place your finger tip to it and hold it there for 60 seconds. The pain would be unbelieveable. Imagine your whole body consumed in flames with no way to escape for all eternity.

I choose to believe. I serve God because I want to. The Bible is the greatest book ever written. Jesus Christ died for us. The commandments of God can only make your life better. If all of that is not a good enough reason to change your ways then the thought of hell should surly wake you up.

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It's striking that you say the latter after explaining that you fear hell so much you'd believe in anything to not end up there. That's so opportunistic, you seem(! ) to not really believe, you just don't want to go to hell, those are two very different things. You don't believe because you think it's true, you simply fear being wrong so you'll believe "just in case".

That's about the biggest problem I have with religions, especially the ones that tell you you're going to pay for 'not believing'. It's the oldest trick in the psychological book to maintain control over groups of people. Make them afraid and make them an offer they can't refuse. Sounds very devilish to me actually,

Cheers

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It's possible to comprehend, it's just that something without start or end seems unnatural to us since we are used to this dimension of time and off course wé ourselves are limited in time and space. Compared to infinity our lives are nothing, the time-span is ultra-mega-super-extremely (etc. etc.) close to completely non-existent actually, relative to infinity itself. To say it thus has little meaning to us or that we can't comprehend is a bit shortsighted. It's the difference between saying 'infinity is time/space or whatever is infinite that goes on forever' and saying 'infinity is 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16 etc.'. It's like the difference between "pi" and '3.14159265...'. We often try to measure something relative in absolutes, that's clearly ineffective when trying to comprehend infinity. "pi" is not 3.14159265, instead it's infinite thus the only correct way to indicate it is with the "pi" symbol. (disclaimer: as far as we know it's a infinite number, but for obvious practical reasons it wouldn't be clever to write it all down every time you use it in a calculation or whatever..)

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Without any evidence it's simply impossible to say anything.

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This sounds horribly opportunistic to me, I really can't believe in something "just in case it turns out to be true". That simply doesn't feel right, nor does it make sense actually. If God really knows all, he'd send you to hell perhap just for that. Even if we assume he exists, we still know nothing about what will actually happen when the 'lights go out'. Nobody ever survived dying, you see?

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I told you to look at the facts. That takes away the opportunist part. If you base your faith on the facts then you have a foundation. Not that I expect you to understand. Your mind is not open to both sides. "just in case it turns out to be true" You didnt get my meaning at all. The facts that God exist are greater than that He doesnt. If fear drives you to find that out then it is good.

For the record. Fear of God will not get you to heaven. You must believe in Jesus Christ. Just so I am not misunderstood.

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That's so opportunistic, you seem(! ) to not really believe, you just don't want to go to hell, those are two very different things

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That's about the biggest problem I have with religions, especially the ones that tell you you're going to pay for 'not believing'. It's the oldest trick in the psychological book to maintain control over groups of people. Make them afraid and make them an offer they can't refuse. Sounds very devilish to me actually,

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I agree with you and disagree at the same time. Impressed with my multitasking? lol Some churches use the scare tactic. And some churches tell you of hell because they are concerned for your soul. Are you able to judge them?

You have dubbed my comments as those of a opportunist. I dub yours as those of a closed minded person who is not capable of seeing the truth if Jesus Christ was to come down and shake your hand in the flesh. I like to chat about Christianity along with the rest of you obviously. A Christian based topic so quickly tries to turn debate. lol I will tell you this.. from me to any unbeliever. Judgement day will happen. God is real. Ignorance is not an excuse because we all know about God. (even though some choose not to believe, they still know about Him)

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Imagine your whole body consumed in flames with no way to escape for all eternity.

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..but am sure you wouldnt believe in Bible and Jesus if you were born in the middle east

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I meant born as a muslim..

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Trust in HIM and forget all else. There is a peace that comes then and only then.

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My grandmother always said; Don't make promises you can't keep. This sounds very much like one of those "promises you can't keep", because it's not you who gives the 'peace'.

I'm just thinking out loud now, but why do people always use these kind of words, phrases and very strategic ideas to convince people? Islam, Christianity and even Buddhism are full of it. If you don't do this, then [....] . If you do this, then [...]. And so on...

Cheers

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My grandmother always said; Don't make promises you can't keep. This sounds very much like one of those "promises you can't keep", because it's not you who gives the 'peace'.

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I'm just thinking out loud now, but why do people always use these kind of words, phrases and very strategic ideas to convince people? Islam, Christianity and even Buddhism are full of it. If you don't do this, then [....] . If you do this, then [...]. And so on...

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Read the Word. I didnt make any promise. He did. ;-) You are so against the Bible yet you have no clue at all what it says. Agree? I say don't complain about a Biblical related comment until you have read the Bible.

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Read the Word. I didnt make any promise. He did.

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I dont have a clue about any other religion, but in Christianity you are just getting a fair warning.

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Right ... still, doesn't the Bible also say non-believers are going to burn in hell? Sounds more like a threat than a fair warning to me.

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Your excuse to God will never be "I didnt know."

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You don't know much about me, but I've went to a Christian high school, 7 years in total (from 11 till 18 years old), so don't come with 'don't comment because you don't know or have read the Bible' statements. I'm well aware what's in there, I'm probably better informed than most atheists are.

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No, God didn't came down to earth and made us a promise in person, so sorry try again.

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Sounds more like a threat than a fair warning to me.

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and that explains the bloody crusades..

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Trust in HIM and forget all else. There is a peace that comes then and only then.

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Thats got to be the dumbest thing I've seen today. Of course if you forget everything you will have peace ...

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A example is the argument you showed for e-sword. Totally wrong yet you would not at least check yourself.

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Look at the facts and get beyond your ego.

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I'd recommend you to look at the real facts, you didn't even took the time to look-up the errors in e-sword. There are even some biblical passages that are simply quoted wrong. It's all out there and it has nothing to do with me ego. Like I said in that topic, you should look for it yourself, especially because you believe in it so blindly. Lol, talking about ego ...

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You try again on a topic that your obviously not well aware of. ;-)

I thought you read it? lol Jesus Christ was God manifest in the flesh, the Word of God, the image of a invisible God. He made the promise thus God did come down. Your not showing me that you read it. ;-) This is getting funny.

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To you and other atheist I am sure it does. Just like homosexuals think that the Bible is off for going against them. If you are guilty and do not have the desire to make your life right, then of course you will be offended.

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Wow, you've completely managed to miss my point. I am not guilty at all, it's just a simple matter of psychology ... Christianity threatens everyone actually, not just the real guilty.

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You must be seriously bored to invite yourself into a Christian to Christian topic. But then again this is a open forum.

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Hey, I'm not the one who made it personal pal , you started saying I never read the bible and things like that. I'm by far not offended though, that takes a lot more, I'm just in this topic because it interests me. And yeah, in my curiosity I do wonder how you people defend certain ideas. I'm glad this is an open forum and I thought we were having a relatively peaceful discussion?

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Actually, I was right, e-sword is full of errors.

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Did you live back then? No. Did you know that Jesus was VOTED to be the son of God? Apparently you ignore all that. Fine, but don't claim things you can't claim.

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Christianity threatens everyone actually, not just the real guilty.

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Hey, I'm not the one who made it personal pal , you started saying I never read the bible and things like that.

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And yeah, in my curiosity I do wonder how you people defend certain ideas. I'm glad this is an open forum and I thought we were having a relatively peaceful discussion?

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I like simple conversations where at least most of the information is based on fact or writings or even proven history.

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I like simple conversations where at least most of the information is based on fact or writings or even proven history.

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I respect any information you provide that comes from a good source unless otherwise noted by "imo". :-)

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based on fact OR writings

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Contrary to what you believe you can't "study" with that program at all, you can only base conclusions on what that program provides you with.

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Thats not what I am talking about. You said the writings of Flavius Josephus could not be studied in e-sword. (even after me and NITRO both disputed you several times) Just so you know, I dont rely solely on that tool.. it is just the quickest and best imo.

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would Jesus approve of the two churches side by side or are we blind to what is really happening? Which one is right because clearly they are different.

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It may sound simplistic but I think there are just things we cannot explain. Basically I think that the kind of unity you seek within Christendom is impossible yet I think God is still advancing Christianity at an astounding rate. Christianity has been and always will be "on the move". Nothing has ever halted its progress and of course there is no reason to believe anything ever will. Denominations are just a way to find different homes for different types of people.

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E-sword doesnt have errors, its just software to compile many different books, it also cross-references many books. E-sword in itself is just an objective reader.

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Denominations are just a way to find different homes for different types of people.

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Self-proclaimed as Christian, right? Well, if you only knew the character of some of the Christian Sects over here (think Ku Klux Klan kind of Sects, but minus the racism) ... (just to clarify, I'm not being totally serious here )

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It does contain errors, just go to a big library and check it out for yourself. Perhaps I will find time to post my findings sometime, unfortunately I have to do all this at the library and since we are not allowed to take certain books to our homes, it takes quite a bit of time.

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Denominations are just a way to find different homes for different types of people.

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Gal 1:6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
Gal 1:7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
Gal 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
Gal 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

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1Pe 4:18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?

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Mat 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

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1Jn 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

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What was the purpose for you spending time checking for errors in e-sword? Just curious. Can you remember any error or specific area the error was in. You have me thinking.. instead of knocking e-sword I can help make it a lil better by reporting the error and thus the programmer can fix the text that is being read.

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I have discussed this with a few friends of different denominations. Each thinks he is saved yet each live under a teaching that is the Word in a twisted manner. Christian or fake Christian, everyone claims truth yet I find that not many people admit that we know nothing. To strive for truth and not assume that what you have IS truth is the answer.

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Well, one thing is for certain, they can't all be right.

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Anyway, always good to be in a decent conversation. :-) Cheers <<-- I am learning PHeMoX.

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Hehehehe, nice

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Well, one thing is for certain, they can't all be right.

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one thing is for certain, they can't all be right.

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