Make "3D Gamestudio" sound cooler

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Seriously. Is there even a marketing department or a real product manager who isn't a programmer or answers the phones part time? It's Conitec's mistake.

Everyone is in agreement here about Conitec's marketing. There was even a long thread about it a while back. I too was in your shoes and begged Conitec to get some marketing so I could say their product name with pride!!!! And then you know what happened?

I started making games.
I started going to game conferences.
I started talking to developers and investors and publishers.

And about 50% didn't know 3DGS and the other 50% predictably called it hobbyware. The ones who didn't know where mildly curious about it's feature set and then moved onto the game. The ones who did know, after a few minutes talking about it, they did NOT have that opinion and agreed that their opinion was second hand and not borne of using the product.

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Do you think a new name to go along with all the new features of the next version of the new engine would spark new sales?

No. Again, you can call it whatever you want but it's still the same engine under the hood and people buying a game engine look under the hood and not at the hood ornaments.

In all cases, what makes the biggest impression is the longevity of the company. How many game engines have been around, constantly improving (even if not at a rate we may be happy with), and under the same company for over a decade? How many can you think off the top of your head or even scouring gamedev.net? Not many, if any.

What you are asking Conitec to do is essentially throw that away. They have built up trademark and IP recognition in the industry under the 3DGS label. Whether the products rep is good or bad, it is ALWAYS bad business to through away IP equity for any reason. So while the product has been 3DGS for longer than some of it's users have been alive, you would ask them to take a GAMBLE (because no matter how cool the name sounds, it's all gamble) that dropping that name would generate strong and tangible benefits. As I've stated before, I jus don't see any benefit to a name change.

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Because being affilitated with and using the technology of "the world's worst game" isn't really a liability

First off, I find this a ridicoulous point to base your opinion of the engine or it's name on. 99% of our games in this community, IF they were finished and IF they were put up for display would earn that label. Unfortunatley, so would 99% of the games made by Torque, 3DBlitz, and even Unreal! Have you learned nothing from our Showcase Forums? Don't you know that it's easier to say "you suck" a thousand times than to take the time to actually pay attention to a game and say "this is ok" even once? That forums are populated by haters and not lovers and they will try to find fault with a game no matter what? And yet you STILL put weight into some anonymous stranger saying that?

Seriously Jetpack, if you are paying attention to the name of the engine and to what strangers say about a game even the author admits didn't push the engine one iota, then you are paying attention to the wrong things about game dev my friend.

So actually my ad would read:
""3D GAMESTUDIO - If you don't like the sound of it, it's because you're focusing on the wrong thing!"

I've been where you are Jetpack trust me. It's hard to believe in an engine when there is nothing to show for it. I know. But in the 5 years that I've used 3DGS, I've been able to raise 250k USD to fund my business (and my business is my educational game) through personal, federal, and state grants. And lest you think that this is because these are industries that don't know game engines (which is true), when I go to the Serious Games Conference or to he GDC and mention my game engine, I get the reaction I talked about above and then we move on. Here is the important part I want to impart on you: Not ONE person at ANY game conference I have EVER attended has EVER dissuaded me from using this engine. That means that other game developers, developers who have been in the industry longer and made more games than all of us combined... all knew the reputation the 3DGS had and yet looked past the reputation at what it could do. While this should NOT be taken as an endorsement of the engine by any of these people, it SHOULD be taken as reassurance that some of the biggest names in game development and publishing that I've met care very little about the engine (or it's name) and more about what I'M doing with it.

Posted By: broozar

Re: Make "3D Gamestudio" sound cooler - 01/29/08 19:27

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Indie developers who should be using A7 are skipping it for Torque just because they see that "made for kids" reputation, and dismiss the engine without seeing how it has grown, when it is actually a superior middleware engine (which it is, with its superior art path, excellent scripting language and ABT scene management, and 0 royalties).

you don't seem to know torque well

otherwise... well. that doesn't contribute to the topic.
do you really mean they skip 3dgs and go to torque just because of the name? i'd say they skip it because the engine is faster, offers mac support, has superior terrain support, has been proven in some really commercial quality titles and has a real game company on its back.

Posted By: JetpackMonkey

Re: Make "3D Gamestudio" sound cooler - 01/29/08 19:36

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you don't seem to know torque well otherwise...

No. I know what I am talking about. I have seriously considered Torque up close, especially after a prospective producer tried very hard to convince me to move the game to it, because of his own anti-gamestudio prejudice. This is completely off topic though. It has a ghastly art path unless you use their world editor, BSP levels only, horrible tools for converting models, no ABT/Octree rendering, god awful documentation. There are no fbx importers. You are at the mercy of tools written by enthusiasts for converting your files to their proprietary model format. These tools are not well written nor supported by Garage Games.

Polygon collision is poorly implemented unless you use the clumsy Polysoup add on, or build BSP geometry beneath the models. You have to compile the engine itself if you want to use it. A

I don't personally need their terrain engine nor BSP, and my levels are built entirely out of polymesh geometry. So for me, personally, A7 is vastly superior. For my needs, Torque is useless.

And A7 is easier to program. Whatever speed difference is negligible. I get ~60 fps on my complex levels without trouble on a middle end machine.

Posted By: PHeMoX

Re: Make "3D Gamestudio" sound cooler - 01/29/08 21:18

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That sounds good in theory, but wait til you are showing your demo at a development event or publisher-developer event, when a producer shows interest and asks more about it, you say you made it in Gamestudio.. watch their faces drop and hear that awkward reluctance, you will feel different.

Even though not recently, I have already been in that position actually and quite frankly back then I've really talked about the engine for literally only a few seconds. I said I use the Acknex engine and said that I program the game myself. Acknex engine didn't ring a bell, which was fine because that was a perfect way of moving on to the actual game, showing them footage of (prototype)gameplay and so on. Whilst showing the game I did mention s�me engine features, but I didn't focus on that at all.

They actually were interested. It probably would have worked out if I wouldn't have been the one who didn't want their deal (they came to me). They had a small list of things that they wanted me to add to the game which I didn't feel like doing and their deadline was unrealistic at that time (it's a while ago and I wasn't quite up to the task).

Looking back at it I probably should have accepted the deal and just look where it would go along the way,

Cheers

Posted By: fastlane69

Re: Make "3D Gamestudio" sound cooler - 01/29/08 21:29

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. "Acknex shoes" are now big enough to accomodate professional developers, but the packaging still says "made

Maybe Conitec's new slogan should be

"Strong enough for a professional (Screenshot of Ichiro working at a station), but made for a novice! (Jetpack kicks Ichiro of the station and starts working)"

Posted By: JetpackMonkey

Re: Make "3D Gamestudio" sound cooler - 01/29/08 21:57

Wow. Well, I can't top that.

Posted By: fogman

Re: Make "3D Gamestudio" sound cooler - 01/29/08 22:31

The difference may be the different location.
I don�t know the reputation of GS in the USA, when it comes to a professional level.

But here in germany there is the chance to leave some kind of bad taste.
You can�t simply negate that fact.

I�ve experienced this behaviour at the Games Convention 2007 in Leipzig on our exhibition booth.

The world is divided into those people who consider GS as professional and those who consider GS a toy.
And you can�t tell them the fact, that it is also a toy, but on the other side a good, stable, effective and wide-ranged toolset.
They don�t believe it.

We are looking indeed to make a techdemo that should show what A7 is capable of. And for me A7 is just a tool,
there is no need "to be proud of it". Engines are exchangeable.

But I�m used to A7 and it�s very capable - I won�t drop it just for the name.

So we (Jetpack, HeelX, me...) are in some kind of an awkward position.

Posted By: JetpackMonkey

Re: Make "3D Gamestudio" sound cooler - 01/29/08 23:06

Zeitgeist Engine!

Posted By: ventilator

Re: Make "3D Gamestudio" sound cooler - 01/29/08 23:26

how about jetpack engine or just jetpack?

Posted By: Damocles

Re: Make "3D Gamestudio" sound cooler - 01/29/08 23:52

... The Jetpack engine is already licensed for the Sinclair ZX Spectrum

Posted By: ventilator

Re: Make "3D Gamestudio" sound cooler - 01/29/08 23:58

the name was jetpac without k. i liked that game when i was a child.

Posted By: Metal_Thrasher

Re: Make "3D Gamestudio" sound cooler - 01/30/08 05:00

I really don't understand why anybody is at all concerned with Conitec's marketing. I could a flying f--- whether they have a alot of user or not. Here I find a nice little niche. I only care that they make the features we want possible for us. I'd rather than improve the form than the fashion. The features should be able to speak for themselves, that is what will truely reshape people concept of 3DGS. Not to relate 3DGS to a pig- but you know you can put lipstick on a pig it dosent make it hotter.
I'm more concerned about what conitec can do for us over what they can do for potential constomers. I say f--- the potential customers, they're not my businiess, or yours either.

Posted By: old_bill

Re: Make "3D Gamestudio" sound cooler - 01/30/08 06:16

@Metal_Thrasher:
It's not about potential customers, it's about publishers (and maybe other developers as well).

But neverless, the whole discussion is a marketing decision in general.
In first line, Conitec is (or should be) interested in selling the product
to potential developers, and take a look around, we all bought it.

I can see your points, but remeber how long it took till the old webpage was
replaced some years ago, do you relly think that the whole marketing direction
will change over night?
As long as the engine itself is still selling, why should there be any motivation for
jcl changing a working concept? He don't gains any royalities for your sold games, so where would
be his personal carrot about investing time and money into a change?
Of course, the world around us isn't on hold (Torque etc), but as long sales still going on,
it's very unlikely in my opinion that something will change.

Posted By: jcl

Re: Make "3D Gamestudio" sound cooler - 01/30/08 08:57

So far, "Gamestudio" and "A7" works quite well for us despite all valid objections about "lack of coolness" that one might have.

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Posted By: jcl

Re: Make "3D Gamestudio" sound cooler - 01/30/08 12:46

Yes, we also know of cases where a publisher tried to persuade developers to use 3D RAD, Torque, or Dark Basic for a certain project. This has however not much to with the name, and is not a problem of Gamestudio but of all development tools likewise. You probably won't have less problems with this particular publisher when Gamestudio is renamed to "Zzyzx Engine". All those cases that we know were resolved by just explaining to the publisher the disadvantages that his proposal had.

Posted By: ello

Re: Make "3D Gamestudio" sound cooler - 01/30/08 12:52

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..You probably won't have less problems with this particular publisher when Gamestudio is renamed to "Zzyzx Engine".

even more, its much harder to pronounce

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Posted By: fastlane69

Re: Make "3D Gamestudio" sound cooler - 01/30/08 18:30

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They want to know that their investment is safe, that you know what you are doing..

Remember Jetpack, Investors invest in teams and people, not software or hardware. Their investment is safe if the team can deliver in whatever engine you use. I'll always remember this from a VC meeting I had: "A good team can make profits out of a bad idea; a bad team will incur losses every with a good idea." Hence, even if the bad idea is 3DGS, a good team can make it work. Remember this next time you go to a pub. Try to sell the TEAM first, the GAME second, and then the game engine is mostly irrelevant.

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Have there been any commercially sucessful games "clicked together" with gamestudio, popular enough to win the confidence of someone who is going to invest tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars in a game?

Of course not! Again, you are employing the wrong stratagy of playing to the bad PR. If the name is associated with bad games, you want to change the name. If people refer to the engine as "click together", you want a commercially successful click together game as a counterpoint.

So that instead of sticking to your guns and your ideals and your game, you are bending over backward for a publisher who has no interest in any of these!

Bottom Line: if you game looks and plays click together, then the Publisher is right to not invest in your team. But if your game looks and plays well, then the publisher is wrong to dismiss your team because it used 3DGS and 3DGS has that feature (independent of whether you used it or not).

BTW, this is how this exactly same arguement would play out on Torque:
Ejem....

"So garage-games. I love your Torque engine I really do but when I went to a publisher, they tried to get me to switch to Unreal becasue they knew that Torque has a reputation for having Starter Kits. I would love for you to change your name so that publishers wouldn't assciate my game with a Starter Kit game. I mean let's face it, every time I go up to someone and tell them I use the Torque engine, they look at me and ask "isn't that the one with the starter kits so all you have to do is tweak it to have a game?" and when I say yes, they look at my game like it's contaminated and say "OH".

Please garage-games, change the Torque name. I don't want my game to be associated with all the bad games that come from the Starter Kit"

Same problem. Different Engine.

And as for Take-Two wanting you to switch to Torque, this could be due to any number of reasons not having to do with 3DGS. Maybe the publisher is more familiar with that engine and thus is more comformatable using it. Maybe Mac's are a big demographic for the publisher. Maybe they are tired of people spending one month on a game engine and presenting it to them like it's the next GTA!!!

Jetpack, if I may suggest a change in strategy? It's obvious that the name will not be changed; you knew that from the begining.

But the crux of this and other threads has NOTHING to do with the name or click-together... it has EVERYTHING to do with how to get a publishing deal. As such, might I recommend that you work that angle and start asking people with successful pub deals (Ichiro and Nardalus come to mind) how they got those deals with 3DGS? Isn't that really what we are after, not a name change but insight into how to get a pub. deal?

Posted By: MaxF

Re: Make "3D Gamestudio" sound cooler - 01/31/08 02:04

I like the name and think its cool already - just my 2 cents

Posted By: PHeMoX

Re: Make "3D Gamestudio" sound cooler - 01/31/08 21:16

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Same problem. Different Engine.

Although that's true, it's also a tad easier to throw around some names of successful Torque-engine based games I think... so perhaps the PR issue isn't a big problem there?

Personally I think people shouldn't advertise their games by saying with which engine it's made anyways, because it's secondary information... If it's the Unreal Engine 3, sure go ahead and tell them, but if it's anything but the Unreal Engine 3, simply be careful what you say regardless of how good the engine you're using really is or what features you are using.

If you're talking to a publisher it has to be just about the last thing you will tell them, unless they insist on some more info on what technology you're using. I would never insist on not telling them the name of the engine I use of course, but a better way is just to show the game in action instead of letting a publisher decide based on their bias towards a name.

Still, perhaps the little experience I have with all this isn't representative,

Cheers

Posted By: lionclaws

Re: Make "3D Gamestudio" sound cooler - 02/01/08 06:55

JCL, "Zzyzx Engine"!...like ello said,it's kind of hard to pronounce;

but cooooooool.3DGS is just as cool.

Posted By: FBL

Re: Make "3D Gamestudio" sound cooler - 02/01/08 09:24

Yz!

Posted By: pararealist

Re: Make "3D Gamestudio" sound cooler - 02/05/08 22:41

Hi, it would probably make Gamestudio cost more. Name changing in business is expensive.

Anyway, it says in the name what it does, a studio for creating games, more than that one does not need.

Only problem is that all the other gamestudios out there, one especally, keeps coming up when i search for gamestudio.

But, GSTUDIOA7 is also a good name as far as i am concerned, and i install in this (named) folder.

AND it is getting better and better, almost daily.

Posted By: Damocles

Re: Make "3D Gamestudio" sound cooler - 02/06/08 23:13

It must not be a full change.
As Conitec has gamestudio as Brandname, the gamestudio brand itself should not be dropped.

It is about the more expensive versions. (eg Pro)
If they would get a new market appearence, it would make the product more "sleek" for
proposing it as platform for development. (for the reasons discussed above)

Lite-C for example is also a new brand name. Conitec could have called it "3D Game Studio C",
wich would not have been a good choice.

Posted By: Frederick_Lim

Re: Make "3D Gamestudio" sound cooler - 02/10/08 14:34

Torque is not that superior in terms of ease of use, this is something found in their forum:

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You just have to choose what fits your teams skill level. Just look at what successful indie games are out there, only a tiny fraction are made with Torque. There's a lot of catching up for Garage Games to do, it's not enough to have pretty shaders and shadows, those can be done with almost any engine to the same level and are fundamentaly an art tool, not so much an engine feature.

One area that Torque still stands out is networking, and in some ways even though BSP and CSG is somewhat outdated, it does make it easy to mod and create simple levels even for a novice. Something that fits nicely in a gamers comfort zone with familiarity of similar tools helping get them running off the bat.

At the end of the day it doesn't make it any easier to actualy go on to finish a game, and limits what you can do to some extent because making torque work in genres it wasn't designed for is extremely difficult without an experienced team with solid C++ knowledge.

I think Torque got better reputation because there is an "AAA" game made with it, but it could be Tough for small or solo developer to create a game, the Torque script is not flexible enough, you can only create mod base on the build-in engine behaviour, or create unique behaviour by modify the engine, or buy those CONTENT PACK!

Edit:
Maybe Conitec consider to change the description order in their web site:

Professional
Advanced
Beginner

Strongly emphasis the template system call "T7 Engine" for beginner. Click together game is using "T7 Engine". Now the template system is list first in the forecast page, I think critical engine features like "New engine features", "Shader", "lite-C", "In-game editor", "WED/MED improvement" should list first.

Posted By: JustOneOldMan

Re: Make "3D Gamestudio" sound cooler - 02/13/08 05:28

Long read in this thread, but in the end I'm not sure what a name change would do for an established product.

If Metallica changed their name to "The Friendly Guys With Nice Hair" would we not still know they're Metallica? And if Elton John changed his name to "Bad Ass Punk Rocker From The Depths of Hades" wouldn't we still know it's Elton John?

If you found the coolest name in the world for a game engine, changed GameStudio to it, and walked into a publishers office tomorrow with a game made from it, does anybody really think the publisher would say "Well that's better then, has to be a good game now with a new cool game engine name like that, Here, give me a look at it".

I kind of think they would say "You mean GameStudio?"

It's kind of like saying that when you take your Ford Pinto to the race track they laugh at you, so the next day you come back with a Mustang sticker on it, and everybody now takes you seriously and begs you to race.

Being new here and to GameStudio I may be out in left field on this, but somehow I can't imagine a name change actually changing the image of a well established company. Besides, GameStudio seems to fit, and personally after being around other dev sites quite a bit I don't think GS has all that bad a reputation. A lot of people that hang out at GarageGames and also use Torque actually speak pretty highly of it.

I do agree with everyone that's said they should have better marketing and much better and more current demo to show off the engine...

Posted By: bomber

Re: Make "3D Gamestudio" sound cooler - 02/13/08 12:06

Well 3dgs is famous now, everyone knows about 3d gamestudio, even if they like it or not if you change the name, even if you say"this is 3dgamestudio" it'll take a long time before it gets famous

Posted By: FBL

Re: Make "3D Gamestudio" sound cooler - 02/13/08 12:12

Let's face it: They already dropped the "3d" from the official name, most people here (including me) didn't even notice this change and still refer to "3dgs".
This won't change with another name change.

Using "T7" for advertising might work out, but in first place I agree with the lack of quality demos. It's not especially that there are none, but I think they are not placed very good. For the potential customer demos linked in Wiki and forum can be considered as very well hidden.
Take a look at how other companies do that: http://www.quest3d.com/index.php?id=15

Without wanting to advertise this engine or start a discussion about its features (so don't even think about starting another engine war here), I think this page works out very well.

Posted By: LarryLaffer

Re: Make "3D Gamestudio" sound cooler - 02/13/08 16:46

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Lite-C for example is also a new brand name. Conitec could have called it "3D Game Studio C",
wich would not have been a good choice.

That's how I advertised the engine in my dissertation. You just can't study in uni for 4 years and state you've made your final year project using "3D GameStudio". Of course, i did use A6 Pro, but I've lied that I've used Lite-C instead. In the end, no one really cared...

part of my presentation

Posted By: Damocles

Re: Make "3D Gamestudio" sound cooler - 02/14/08 17:20

I wrote my diploma thesis about RFID.
(the little radio tags, that will eventually replace the barcode in a couple of years
on all consumer products)

A main reference book, was actually "RFID for Dummies", mainly for
covering the topic in broad terms.
There where many other papers/books for specific points, but I actually used the book the most.

I had to kind of hide it in the references, putting it in the middle of the reference table, as it really
did not sound well to use a "for Dummies" book. (although the book is a good review of the industry/technology)

-> Wrong naming, can really hurt a product.

Posted By: LarryLaffer

Re: Make "3D Gamestudio" sound cooler - 02/14/08 19:57

And that pretty much sums it up. The 'for Dummies' series is doing good because it's attractive to people with limited knowledge in an area, yet it can provide more useful information than other books, because it's a good series. I think conitec is following the same logic with Gamestudio..

Posted By: Damocles

Re: Make "3D Gamestudio" sound cooler - 02/14/08 22:28

The "Dummies" books do somthing other books dont: they sum up an Area, to get a quick overview.
This starting point is often more important, than masses on specific papers, when the reader still does not
understand the structure of the topic.
3dgs is helping similar, by providing "nutshell" sollutions for gamedevelopment.
Going into detail is easier, if the user knows a complete the area in general terms.

Posted By: Frederick_Lim

Re: Make "3D Gamestudio" sound cooler - 02/15/08 00:48

So maybe that sounds good to create a new a edition call Gamestudio Dummy edition.

Posted By: Machinery_Frank

Re: Make "3D Gamestudio" sound cooler - 02/15/08 08:56

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So maybe that sounds good to create a new a edition call Gamestudio Dummy edition.

I thought Larry (Aris) is working on the Dummy edition?

But yes, I agree completely. Gamestudio is a good starting point for game-developing, learning how it all works together. And since it is the Dummy-tool of the marktet it attracts most of the newcomers. This is a bigger market than experienced users and thus Gamestudio is a better success than an advanced comprehensive but powerful indie tool like C4, S2, Lawmaker or whatever.

But competition jumps on this waggon as well. Unity3d and Gamecore (formerly Beyond Virtual) try to achieve the same with tons of good templates, complete tool-set and even commercial tutorials with personal tutors.

It is getting hot there and so it is also important to leave a good impression afterwards. So if a newcomer really worked into the software then he will spread information about experiences and impressions. He will tell about the power of the product and he will simply compare it to commercial games he played in his life.

So it comes to the point to deliver both: ease of use and power. The resulting game projects or professional demos play a very important role there, not only scripting, no - the entire product including lighting, speed, animation, sound - just the result that finds its way through the screen and the speaker of the machines involved.

This all will make the reputation of Gamestudio. It can change something. IntenseX could change something, the upcoming fbx level-importer can change something. A second uv-set with simple handling of light-maps will do so. A professional game-demo can change the impression.

Changing the name is what some users did often in the forums with their user names. But most of us still remember them and their actions. It does not change reputation.

Posted By: fastlane69

Re: Make "3D Gamestudio" sound cooler - 02/16/08 18:46

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-> Wrong naming, can really hurt a product.

And yet, has there been a CHANGE to the "for dummies" title since it came out?
Have SALES hurt becasue it's called "for dummies"?
Did YOU not buy the product or use it because it was called "for dummies"?

The answer is no to all cases which is exactly what Conitec should do!

Posted By: Christian__A

Re: Make "3D Gamestudio" sound cooler - 02/18/08 15:50

The problem is not the name itself - but people have seen many bad looking games or played ugly games built with 3dgs, so they associate "3dgs" with bad graphics and ugly gameplay (which has really nothing to do with the engine!). Changing the name would help to get rid of this prejudice for maybe one year (people won't stop building bad games

just because the engine has a more "cool" name). Then you can start searching a new name again. I do not really like the name "3d game studio" - but instead of thinking about new names you should start to build good looking and playable games. This would really help the reputation of 3dgs.

Posted By: Quad

Re: Make "3D Gamestudio" sound cooler - 02/19/08 09:22

I think the same way most people said before me, name change will fork for a little while and then everybody will know its 3dgs (and im sure people continue saying 3dgs to it.).

Since the "thing" is not changed, there is no need to change the name.
It should be advertised better, better looking games & demos & successful titles shoul placed or at least referred at the front page. And this is true that bad looking games that have 3dgs on it makes eninge look bad.

Better looking demos or games or a great "Tech Demo" will work. Engine is great, all it needs some advertesing and show off.

There are some games that made really good, like Strefa 22 or Kabus 22 or (some cyrillic characters) 22 . They are all same game released in turkish,polish,russian and will be released at the Czech Republic and Germany(7 March 2008). Turkish version released with full turkish and english speech sound & subtitles, and french,italian and some other langugaes with subs.(take a look at the table on the right http://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kabus_22 it says oyun motoru(engine) : Acknex (3D Game Studio)). Its not the best that can be done with A6 but still its good.

Such succesfull games should be made and used to advertise the engine (others do it.)

Posted By: slacker

Re: Make "3D Gamestudio" sound cooler - 02/19/08 14:54

I am not going to read through 9 pages of thoughts on this, but have always agreed - 'the infinity engine' or somethin

I got in when it was Acknex...

Posted By: jonkuhl

Re: Make "3D Gamestudio" sound cooler - 02/19/08 18:00

I always thought the "A" stood for Awesomesauce . . .

But I do agree. I've always thought the name "3d Gamestudio" sounded rather plain.

Posted By: JetpackMonkey

Re: Make "3D Gamestudio" sound cooler - 02/19/08 19:30

>I always thought the "A" stood for Awesomesauce . .

oh man yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

dingding +5 stars

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