should mods be able to lock threads just because they dont like

Well, spike made a thread, and yeah, it might seem a little distasteful to some to say you hate kids, (but i believe everyone is allowed to state there opinion)

Now i never read anywhere that it is against the rules or inappropriate, or illegal to post that you hate kids, so there is no legitimate reason to close the thread so it is all about if you like it or not. Does that mean just because checkbutton is a mod and he doesn't like people saying that that he can just close a thread? Shouldn't mods be taking things objectively and not with their own personal bias?

Mods have the power to maintain topics that are tasteful to the majority. We must take into consideration this isn't just a community, the community here is a selling point and tool for Conitec and their products.

If the mods ought necessary then they should do it.
I think this forum has a very low mod activity already, and why do we always need to put these tiny decisions in question?

If a moderator seems fit that a specific topic is distasteful, s/he can lock or delete it.

If you think moderator didn't act right, you are allowed to point it up, but do be mindful when you raise your hand.

Why not ask this in private via pm instead of publishing it on the forum, lc?

Sorry, but I think you didn't get the point why I closed it. I did so not because spike stated he hates kids, I did so because he stated he does so, because he can't smack them into the face.
This shows an aggressive attitude (regardless if it was meant serious or not) which in my point of view, is tasteless and should not be published on these forums.

I think it is okay to ask this in public.
@ lostclimate:
I understand that it hurt your feelings, that checkbutton closed the thread.
I respect your honest talking about your feelings, experiences and opinions.
And, I think, checkbutton didn't close the thread because of you, but of the very last post which actually was not appropriate anymore. [EDIT: okay, I didn't remember Spike's posts. And, I think that is the right decision.]


For my part, I think there's nothing but children that can show us how complicating and sensitive a soul is. Our own soul, as well.
sometimes, it is extremely difficult to understand why a child does this or that.
The save way is to observe it and to try to understand it while thinking it tries to do something good and appropriate, even if it is acting like a devil. But, this doesn't mean that the child can do anything it likes, it means, that a responsible adult can't do much about it, but keep a dialog of interactions and sort of negotiations with the child.

One exciting point is this: a child is not the master of its will, actually it experiences its own will as something that comes like a storm of feelings that it can't handle.

You said that none can blame his parents for his bad behaviour. Sure, anybody is responsible for his behaviour from a certain age on, but the way their parents (and other adults) treated him still influences his ability to control his own behaviour.

actually i was not serious at all...
i was amazed how many disrespectful and idiotic coments came from some members here.
as if my girlsriends musical taste has anything to do with the reason i dislike kids, or if my political ideals have anything to do with this.
i found the replies of some of you rather amusing (like the one that diagnosed a "my life sucks" attitude, wich was hilarious) to rude to pure idiocy.
it shows how far off you people are from the ideals of free speach and democracy, the right for an opinion and the freedom to state said opinion.
i agree with checkbutton in closing the thread, as it was never planned on starting a serious discussion anyway.
btw, i dont hate kids, i just dont like them either, because i am a choleric person and know this. people like me shouldt habe kids, but i at least know this. same thing cant be said for billions of otehr people. also, id never hit a child or a woman, and i havent hit somebody for years.

thing is, you people need to realize that there are people that dont share your opinion, and for that, you shouldnt hate them. in fact, you should think about their opinion to become a better person, not stay in your little nietzsche slave moral life...

oh and lostclimate, thanx for the support. good to see some sane people around here...

edit: and before some of you ask me for the umptenth time if i meant you: if you feel adressed, there surely is a reason for that. its pathetic, but true. if by a certain age you havent realized that the world is filled with idiots, there is a good reason for that...

It is not a part of democracy to let a statement stand comentless for itself. You can't post such a post into a forum thinking nobody should critize you. To be critizied for your opinion is also part of free speech. It doesn't matter if the comments are tastfull or not. I am a very impulsive man, too. But I respect it, that others send me into my borders with sarcasm, humor or direct.

Your post was distatefull - serious or not. So I think closing the Thread because of YOUR post would have been the best descision.
And, in my opinion rude post deserve rude answers. Take it as a scala on which you can recognize the idiocy of your own post.

Edit: I don't like Checkbuttons posts very much. But (!) his descisions to close threads were always right in my eyes. I think he has a feeling for things which belong into a game development forum or not.

we are all adults here, and as a moderator it is up to us to try to maintain order, so sometimes our decision to act may not be favorable. based on a single persons feeling or opinion, especially in this particular part of the forum, opinions can be a bit less critical. truth is, i hate kids sometimes, i have two young children and i am a school teacher, so there are days that i dont want to think about them. But i didnt take Spikes comment seriously, and for those of you that did, its ok to not read any further. because this forum has so many members from so many places, i think freedom of speech should be respected. as long as we honor the rules of the forum, and try to respect each other, then we will be fine. i also hate monkeys, lol.

okay thinker, i get the opinion that you havet actually read what i wrote. but if you have, you surely didnt udnerstand what i was saying.

in simple words:
checkbutton was right to close the thread. people need to learn to accept other opinions. i did not not accept otehr opinions, iw as just amazed how low some of them were.

got that?

keep in mind that im not saying that i have an issue with checkbutton, from the few things ive seen him talk about, i dont think bad of him, but other than the very last comment, i dont see something that was all that bad that it required a topic close. Idk, i think its just a difference in discretion.

That's no different to others expressing how low your apparent opinion was, even if that wasn't your real one.

No one said you can't say that (though Damocles may have implied it, as there's a difference between "politically correct" and "correct"). There was no rejection of free speech. They just looked down on the position you were expressing, exactly as you are looking down on the positions they expressed.

Jibb

i had no problem with how low their opinion was, i was just amazed. how often do i need to tell you this. also, i still dont get what the lifestyle of my girlfriend had to do with the topic. that was not an opinion that was a downright insult. and excuse me for taking an insult serious...

True, that girlfriend comment was definitely insulting. Most of the comments, though, were not, and were undeserving of such descriptions as "idiocy", or "slave moral life".

This quote...
... was either not thought out, or blatant hypocrisy. Free speech doesn't mean "What they say is okay", it just means "They can say it if they want". No one violated or rejected your free speech, but somewhere you got the idea that those people are far off from those ideals, and expressed it by doing exactly what they did (apart from an insulting post by alpha strike). "You people" is quite frankly an insult to the community who posted in that thread without being insulting.

Jibb

The thread was off right from the beginning and it is hard to see if it was meant to be a joke or not.

Actually kids are a joy, they bring fun and happiness into our lives. People who care for someone (kids or even animals) live statistically longer. I know from my own experience why this is the case: You will lose bad thoughts and negativity in a moment if your kid stands in front of you with all this naivety, asking for help, for an explanation.
It is the best thing that happens to people and probably the only meaning of life.

It is getting harder to understand after puberty. But before this it is easy to see why kids are doing certain things. It is part of their development to understand their own ability, to explore their capabilities. They often struggle with themselves and need our understanding.

The missing respectfulness of many youngsters has a lot of reasons. One of them is our own failure as parents. We have to back up consequent decisions, we have to be a good example. Many of us are not, say this, act the other way, pray this but don't live it. We are often weak and this produces uncertainty.
So, don't blame the kids for this. They want strong examples, want to admire us and follow a strong and good moral.

Well, if it isn't for real (how can I tell?) then you for sure like to play with your "shaved head, aggressive attitude,..." image. So I am amazed that you are amazed about reactions like mine.

[example]
hey, how funny is my joke? you all belong into trashcan cause you stink!
...
oh, didnt like it? well it was just a joke you low creature
[/example]

actually your reaction didnt amaze me at all. not anymore, i get that a lot, its okay :9
yeah, i play with my image, simply because image is everything. to people who dont know me, this sounds silly, i know that, but to people who know me understand it, like achaziel, who actually lives in my city (and yes, its MY city :p ) and meets me a few times per month.

also, i know my coments about free speech sounds like hypocrisy but, and thats the point i forgot, it again makes sense if you know me, for i always use blown up relations to prove a point.

its like, when i see three people fighting, i always tell teh story like this:

"was walking down the street. you know the way, alone through the city, its okay, like that. music on and stuff.
so i walk by this bar and there was this huge crowd. i first didnt care what was up but then some idiot flew by me, and i realized there were like 30 people fighting each other, it was a bloody massacre."

if you dont know me, youd say im a simple liar, but the way i talk, with my words, the sound of my voice, the face and everything, people realize that i just exaggerate. people see me and know i am telling a story that has something true in its core. im a story teller. i dont lie, i just make the stories visual. thats what i do. my image, outfit and everything helps me form the stories i tell. and people liek that. they smile, they laugh, they have a good time.

but one cant do this with just written words. at least i cant. im a bad writer. good story teller bad writer. happens. jeph loeb for example. i love ultimatum but the execution is flawed. (although spideys death was brilliant).

in the end, i dont want to make anyone mad. i liek to provike, i like to exaggerate, i like to simply be silly without any harm. some people dont understand that, and thats okay with me, for i dont understand some people aswell. i jsut smile at them, tell a huge story or some mind blowign argument that is blown out of proportion and hope that people understand the true core of the meaning.
and, as ive came tor ealize around here time and time again, they dont...
i probably should change something, but i couldnt care less about if you people like me or not, so i wont...

ps.: lets see if you understood that... probably not...

oh and ello:
i find your example joke funny

oh and edit:
im the worlds msot peaceful person. i dotn harm anyone. but, if i had a big red button, id sure as hell press it. i hate humans-.-

I think this debate is enough.

Previous thread was closed for inappropriate content, which sPIKe posted as a humorous attempt, was taken seriously and caused discussion that should never taken place.

Thread locked and I will delete any new threads made to complain the closure of either of these threads. Thank you and have a sunny and fun day

I thought long about answering again, but I think I have to, to make my decision clear (and that's all about what I will write here).
I closed the thread JUST because of sPIKe's post. Whether it was meant serious or not. I think it was inappropriate here, and I understand that you like to play with the image you draw of you, but letting this post stand here with no reaction of moderators, this post would have the potential to damage the forums reputation. And as you know, we are not just one of these ordinary forums, we keep an eye on that.

EDIT: I just saw, thread has been closed. If you want to react on that, feel free to PM me. Thanks.