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Re: Big Bang [Re: PHeMoX] #84712
09/17/06 17:45
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Maybe I did not make myself understood
MatthewAllen asked

we're moving the speed of light
And another galaxy is too
and we're going the opposite direction?
Does the relative speed limit hold?

I supposed MattheewAleen meant

If we are driving on the motorway and an other car is moving towards us at the same speed, then the other car is moving towards us at a double speed

Is it the same situation in case of a galaxi moving at the speed of the light towards the earth ?

Forget for a while the expansion of the universe
The answer is negative
The galaxi can not exceed the speed of the light

Why ?

Claiming ;
My car is driving at the speed : my.speed
The other car is moving at the speed : you.speed
It is implicit that we refer my.speed and you.speed to the same coord system :
The earth
In other words we can define :
- two relative coord system (the cars)
- one absolute coord system (The earth)

The question is :

Can we extend this concept to the whole universe ?

Common sense and and Newton say : yes, in theory it is possible


Einstein said : no, it is not possible neither in practice nor in theory

If MatthewAllen claim

The galaxi is moving at the speed...

Einstein would ask him

What coord system are you referring to ?

According to the theory of relativity only local coord systems make sense
It is not possible to define an absolute coord system

Same consideration as far as time is concerned

Re: Big Bang [Re: Alberto] #84713
09/17/06 18:56
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Thank you for your explanation It seems I agree with Einstein here, lol hahaha,

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Re: Big Bang [Re: PHeMoX] #84714
09/29/06 05:55
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One way to say a galaxy is moving in a expansion is that: "their lines were shifted to long wavelengths(to lower frequencies). If the redshift was due to the Doppler effect, they are moving away from the Milk Way, at speeds of up to a thousand kilometers per second". If its line is blueshifted it is moving toward us! But just Andromeda is moving toward us and the others galaxies are receding from each other in all directions!

If the universe is finite we will see the night bright and blue. If the universe is infinite the night would be bright, because is light forever!

But, the sky at night is dark, it means, the light coming from the infinity, is finite, its not have enought time to get here and bright the sky. The expansion of the universe was so fast, that light from other galaxies was overwelmed by the expansion!

Re: Big Bang [Re: rogodoy] #84715
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Interesting, but you assume that light can travel a unlimited distance too, right?

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