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Wed has got the Worst 3D interface in3D history ?? #95561
10/24/06 00:52
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Sorry This thing is Annoying,.. any sign of improvment soon ?

for some reason i have to change scale ( - , + ) to move an item in a different view port, I'm doing simple stuff but this thing SUCKS !!
there so MANY mouse clicks, shortcut to do simple stuff
Maybe I'm just used XSI, Modo etc but this feel so bad =/


what other level editors are out there for 3DGS ?


- 3DGS Pro - XSI Ess - Modo - Messiah - Zbrush - Lightwave - Thomas4d Creations - www.thomas4d.com
Re: Wed has got the Worst 3D interface in3D history ?? [Re: t4d] #95562
10/24/06 01:07
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... why didnt you check this before purchasing? I personally have no problem with the UI, but thats just me.

There arent any other level editors, that I know of, for GS. You can use models to build your levels, and do much of the work inside a 3rd party model editor, however, you still have to compile them in WED.

Regards,
Raddaddy


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Re: Wed has got the Worst 3D interface in3D history ?? [Re: Rad_Daddy] #95563
10/24/06 01:59
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happy with the Med for importing but you can't import Levels with what i have placing Boxes and setting up a level is..well not much fun.

Map import blowns the portals count up to silly levels

and the negatives are so easy to see,.. I've used 3DGS since 5
But I don't do 3dGS fulltime I do generial 3D as well. coming back,.. well it's hard to go back to such a low quilty interface..=/

It havn't changed in along time..... but this hurts I really will be trying to use somethings else next time.. 100% due to wed's interface.

Raddaddy what other 3D apps have you used ? how do you think Med Compairs ?


- 3DGS Pro - XSI Ess - Modo - Messiah - Zbrush - Lightwave - Thomas4d Creations - www.thomas4d.com
Re: Wed has got the Worst 3D interface in3D histor [Re: t4d] #95564
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t4d, use your own shortcuts. wed offers the opportunity to do so.
eg. i use m for move, r for rotate, s for scale, k for camera, h for hollow, 1-9 for primitive creating etc. so you won't have to use any buttons but the object explorer ones.

Re: Wed has got the Worst 3D interface in3D histor [Re: broozar] #95565
10/24/06 09:34
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I got afew shortcuts

But I may be missing something Software is sometimes hard to get into the flow So i have afew questions

how do you aline items or clone them in a array ?

why does it zoom right out when you scope in or out of a group ?
so you lose you place completely ?
and you end up having to pull everything out of it's group
so you can deal with the level as a whole
then Group them up again to get some control ( locking Hiding )
the workfow for me here is shocking at the moment,.. any tips ??

Why do you have to goto an item, Before you can move it freely in all view ports?

why can't we see textures on the terrains in wed ? ( this adds alot of extra work not having that feature )

I have real time render previews in all my 3D apps
why is the 3D view wireframe ?

why arn't they any rest on ground or Conform placement commands or something ??
So placing things on the terrain are easier ?

can you Dock the object properties somewhere somehow ?

how do you add the same behaviour to alot of items ?

the portal system is Touchy ( understand it's a game engine )
but why are they no snaping commands to help workflow ?



any tips would be golden and I'll buy you a beer =)


- 3DGS Pro - XSI Ess - Modo - Messiah - Zbrush - Lightwave - Thomas4d Creations - www.thomas4d.com
Re: Wed has got the Worst 3D interface in3D histor [Re: t4d] #95566
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clone: select item + hold shift + drag mouse, works with single items and groups, but not with multi selections (group up first)

zoom problem: never occured on my machine, sry
but scoping in general: yes, it's a bit distracting, disappearing environment...

go to item: ? just select it in the project explorer, then move it. where's the problem?

terrain texture: i can. really. maybe it's some GXL issue (i use the dx8 lib).

wireframe: select your 3d viewport, press f7, that's it. there you got your txtures. for additional lighting preview, rightclick it>GXL>GXL Properties> in the following dialogue, eslect everything.

placing on terrain: there is none. but you can script it easily with a trace ray downwards.

dock prop panel: is in the works, but set it to your "p" key, that's how i do it, and it's really easy this way.

snapping: guess what's the slider for next to the movement restrictor...?

same behaviour: plan your maps: if you have 500 sprites with all the same behaviour, first, create ONE, add the behaviour, THEN copy it ...
alternatively: it can be done by scipt, check all your ents wit ent_next for a certain parameter then add a function (search a bit in the forums, i am such a bad scripter).


can't wait for my beer

Re: Wed has got the Worst 3D interface in3D histor [Re: broozar] #95567
10/25/06 00:04
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man Do I need to buy you a Beer or WHAT !!! =)

Super Textures on terrain SUPER this has to be the biggest issue for me
BUT no texture on the items wdl's any setting I'm missing to get those as well ?
not huge but would be nice

Snapping - well i was looking for point, edge snapping not grid snapping.

zoom ?? so when you scope in and out of a group the zoom does not change ??

I alway seem to go to a fit all type view, whenever i scope in or out ?

Thanks DaBro0zar Huge Help and I do own you a beer =)

Last edited by t4d; 10/25/06 00:15.

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Re: Wed has got the Worst 3D interface in3D history ?? [Re: t4d] #95568
10/29/06 08:01
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I like the interface, simple as hell, but I"m used to using maya, 3d's max, lightwave, and blender, so I know how they generally work. Believe me, in comparison to say blender, it's easy as hell to use.

Re: Wed has got the Worst 3D interface in3D histor [Re: t4d] #95569
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Quote:

Snapping - well i was looking for point, edge snapping not grid snapping.




You can do 'local snapping', 'vertex snapping', 'world snapping' and 'delta snapping'. Select your block, then check the snapping (somewhere middle top of the toolbar and the only thing you can check/uncheck.) By clicking on the 'W' you can change the snapping mode. Clicking the 'V' next to it, will activate vertex snapping mode.

I'd recommend making model levels though, but WED's really not that bad hehehe .

Cheers


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Re: Wed has got the Worst 3D interface in3D histor [Re: PHeMoX] #95570
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yeah, you're much better off using like 3ds max(get the "free" version).

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