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Re: LawMaker engine
[Re: AlbertoT]
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03/24/07 14:44
03/24/07 14:44
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PHeMoX
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Of course you can create any any kind of game using Torque but for some kind of games it is a pain being geared towards multyplayer FPS
Why would that be if the programming language and editor tools do not limit you to make different kinds of games? What kind of game would be more difficult to make with Torque then? People have already created RTS, flightsims, war sims, turn based games, FPS and 3rd PS games and even casual games. Well, I haven't seen much Lawmaker or Beyond Virtual games that were no FPS games indeed, but there are some. Hence my claim that 'it is possible'. If you want to find out how hard it is, you'd have to try it out for yourself,
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Re: LawMaker engine
[Re: PHeMoX]
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03/24/07 15:34
03/24/07 15:34
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AlbertoT
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Why would that be if the programming language and editor tools do not limit you to make different kinds of games? What kind of game would be more difficult to make with Torque then?
It dipends on the type of commands
A multi purpose engine supplies a limited nummber but highly abstracted
list of commands the opposite for a taylor made engine
Go through torque and 3dgs command list, you will see the difference yourself
Anyway it is not my personal opinion only
Even Torque associates and end users admit that you can design every kind of game , provide you are prepared :
To tweak the engine
WOW !!! , they try to miminimize (we give you the source, arent' you happy ?) but it is a nonsense
A game engine for hobbyest \ semi professional programmers must be a black box
It make no sense to have to put your hands on a 1000000 lines complex program
My concern about Lawmaker is the same
As far as B.V. is concerned never used it , but yes the impressive 700 ++ general purpose commands should make it a true and complete multi purpose engine, I suppose
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Re: LawMaker engine
[Re: PHeMoX]
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03/24/07 21:29
03/24/07 21:29
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capanno
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...but that's moreso because I'm spoiled with the ease of 3dgs's c-script. 
Im with you on that! 
Im a little concerned that lawmaker is a bit geared towards FPS games, although it seems like a good engine. Ill be impressed when they show a demo of a rts or racing game. The editor undoubtedly looks great, although the version I used when I used the evaluation was still buggy.
An engine Im really excited about is unigine. Over the past couple of months its been growing and becoming an insanely good engine. I hope to evaluate it soon, but I have to learn c++ first. 
www.unigine.com
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Re: LawMaker engine
[Re: capanno]
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03/24/07 21:49
03/24/07 21:49
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Hellcrypt
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Stop complaining,
Lawmaker is not made for only FPS games, what the heck ever gave you that idea? Sure some functions are used for FPS, but other classes has some use of. This is not for newbie programmers, there are a lot of classes and functions, but once you get the hang of it, you can create anything you need.
Last edited by Hellcrypt; 03/24/07 21:49.
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Re: LawMaker engine
[Re: Gamesaint762]
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03/24/07 23:48
03/24/07 23:48
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AlbertoT
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might be hard to overcome an engine that is geared toward an FPS genre but what about game design isnt hard? Theres so much work involved its not even funny. .
Well a little bit masochistic approch , in my opinion, but " De gustibus.."
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Re: LawMaker engine
[Re: Gamesaint762]
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03/25/07 10:36
03/25/07 10:36
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Bielefeld, Germany
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one thing is claiming " It is possible" an other thing "It is easy"
Gamesaint, you didn't get the main point of Alberto.
He mentioned the difference of the ease to programm an fps or other sort of games. And the ease of use often indeed makes the difference of possible or not possible, because its a matter development time, and its the difference of a programmer's skills, and that seems to be a thing that you don't see. The skills of the programmers are very different, and the way of programming of different programming languages are very different, too.
I'm not a programmer, but every time our team is working on the code, I'm watching what the programmer is doing, we are discussing what we need, which way to achieve it is the best, and meets best with further features which we want to implement later. And, when I look at what he is coding, I see parts of c-script that are easy to write and even me, I can modify them, other parts are too complex that I could understand it. But, we use the SDK too, so then, when I look at his programmings in C++ - there is almost nothing that I can understand.
Let's refer to the development time: within my team we have estimated the time of 8 hours in a month, in the beginning we had 8 hours a week. I hope you understand that such a short time needs the ease to use to be fast enough to even consider to start a game development!
- easy to use - needs less time -> is a way for developers to make a game in their spare time.
- difficult to use - needs more time -> is no way for the most developers in their spare time.
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