thats a bit more of a reasonable reason to assume that, but still the community seems to believe its between 1k-2k, we'll just have to see how it turns out

thank you! I love you too.

And I don´t know what you try to say.

I don't want to bark in, etc..

But what I think is that you're being pretty random. First you mention small detail, 2D straw, and end listing your favourite games.. When the topic is wether or not Offset Engine is better than CE2 or UE3 and given 'proofs' are the screenshots.

As a sidenote; I don't see any sprites in the specific screenshot =/

Well, I am writing what I am thinking when I see the screen shots. It´s indeed difficult to understand if I don´t write something different as what I think to make it easier to others to understand what I feel.

And writing english makes a big gap into my thoughts making them more confusing and difficult to understand/explain.

Anyway I still think what I said is right, because I would never publish these screenshots because I think they are not good.

Funny thing is I am right back from a friend who is an artist who can draw "perfect" and thinks, a good picture is well (realistic and clean) drawn. Everything what is not clean and "realistic" drawn is crap for him.
I think he understands nothing about art and this world. Not in a bad way, because I hope one day he will understand what I mean. But he is still at the beginning.

hmmm... I guess that won´t make any sence to most people here, and you will think I am offtopic. And I also think this is the wrong place to talk about it and everyone can discover himself this world.

I allready know that for my taste matt aufderheide open-mind regarding art isn´t very big. I think his look at art is very "flat" or 2 dimensional. We also have our difference and he doesn´t like me aswell as I don´t like him.

And to write my previous post in a way which hopefully everyone understands: (I think that) To most people a screenshot/movie with alot of polygones and glamourus effects makes them think the engine is written by smart talented people. It must be a great engine with which can made great games.

But I think they only see the half truth.

There are much more points as the plain picture which give me information about project in this picture. And if the creators don´t see that, I think they didn´t see other things as well. For me these information count aswell as alot of polygones and effects.
How can someone put alot of work, money and time into something and then publish such a not well structured and espacially low intended picture?

Anyway I have understood that I am in the wrong place here and my opinion is more and more against the stream, what is totally useless. I am out for now.

Thanks for the info from Gamestar Frank. For sure the other aspects mean very much, though, I guess I was talking more in the line of graphics.

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thank you! I love you too.

And I don´t know what you try to say.

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I'm not attacking you, I'm saying that your criticism made no sense...

You say the screenshot sucks because you dont like the straw, and then list a bunch of irrelevant nintendo games.

What do sprites have to do with this? Imaged-based effects, like sprites, alpha testing, etc, are used when you cant do some details in 3D, because of the huge number of polys needed, and for saving time. Imagine having to make each straw blade in 3D... 3D techonology isnt to the point yet where all things can be represented in 3D perfectly.

Attacking my work because it looks "2D" or your friend because he doesnt like things are badly drawn is silly and frankly reveals a lack of knowledge about art history. Many Great paintings are fairly "flat" in that there is not much depth or perspective.. like at Ingres, Gruenwald, Japanese/Chinese painting, Van Gough, etc...

Certainly you can have your own aesthetic taste, but dont suppose that it is "right" and that everything else sucks. You should be able to appreciate a good work, even if it isnt to your taste. I dont like Picasso, but I recognize that his work has good qualities.

Well it should be noted that when you license an engine you obtain more than simply a binary.

Engines like Unreal 3 and Crysis have well-developed pipelines , quite a bit of well-written documentation , code and artwork samples and other nice things.

Quality, priority support and bug fixes / enhancements. In fact, for certain engine licenses you may be able to make personal phone calls to senior developers , attend or request seminars and meetings with senior engine development staff , discuss and recommend future enhancements ( that are actually listened to, to a certain extent ) etc.

For many studios / publishers paying for such benefits is economical.

Your crazy cipher , no matter how beautifull and good the Unreal Engine 3 is ,
it's $750,000 , do you properly understand that number , SEVEN HUNDRED AND FIFTY THOUSAND DOLLARS , maybe in capital letters you'll understand it better. Thats a fortune man , it's insane , only big companies with tons of money can afford that , no one else. The only reason these companies pay it is because well , it is a very good and complete engine , and has all the next gen stuff and is very powerfull as well , and frankly , when you have a 30 million dollar budget throwing 1 million to the engine and just worrying about the game doesnt seem like a bad idea. But you have to realize , things are only worth what people pay for them , nothing more , look at 3D Max , it's expensive , but it's $3000 some dollars , and it's a very powerfull software which has been used in many commercial movies and the like , yet it's something affordable in that sense, why in the planet would someone think it's just to charge almost a million dollars for their software ? No matter how much documentation it can contain , and shaders , and anything else , it's still a game engine , with no game , just the engine , you still have to produce a good game with it , or it's worthless , I think it's inhumane for this chimps to be charging that much for a piece of software , and retarded that people of this forum agree with the price , and then beat down what we have , critisize it to the last detail while we praise the other to the last detail. Again , awesome and beautifull engines , but definately not worth their price.