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Re: Lawmaker News [Re: TheExpert] #143314
07/27/07 23:12
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Sorry , but i prefer to pay once , and have all features directly in the same
interface editor




If this is the case, then why are you still here? If this is a problem for you then move on and stop telling us the same things over and over again.

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My regret is only :
why lot lot lot of programming functions in each new beta




This is called progress. They make the engine more powerful and give us tools to [hopefully] realize an end result more easily.

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Why not deliver lot more panels for editing things , graphical tools included
in the editor instead of programming functions ??




As has been stated time and again, these things are coming. They don't create themselves, and they take time to come about. You have to be patient. It's all in the Forecast complete with percentage complete or priority ranking. You have to delve a bit deeper into these things than just the forum. The beta and Forecast pages are there for a reason.


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Re: Lawmaker News [Re: Orange Brat] #143315
07/27/07 23:54
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"If this is a problem for you then move on and stop telling us the same things over and over again."

I was not talking to you at beginning , but perhaps more with Frank ...
i think he can understand me a little more than you ...

I can onky stop posting , you are taking things too seriously.
And believe me , in the real life , when you see real people big big problems
(like only some months more to live ) that any video game will never resolve ,
, you won't take any more entertainment as seriously as before !

We are indie market here , not pros like in some 3D artist forums were you can find people working in the industry in the big AAA games.

And this is a Lawmaker thread ... so don't feel so attacked or leave non 3DGS threads for a time

Well i stop , ... i don't want to put you on a bad mind health ...

Last edited by TheExpert; 07/27/07 23:57.
Re: Lawmaker News [Re: TheExpert] #143316
07/28/07 09:09
07/28/07 09:09
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I understand TheExpert perfectly. He is a little bit cheeky and bold sometimes but I find his comments funny and often true.

Sorry OrangeBrat. I dont wanted to make you upset. But you dont have to defend your tool so heavily. Nobody attacks it. And by the way: You said there are such tools but I cannot find a tool to paint foliage at terrain. Maybe GameEdit could become something like that but I am quite sure that it is still abandoned. TripleX vanished unfortunately.

And Lawmaker has a new tool to synchronize phonems to face animations so you get lip-synch animations only from playing audio files. I never found something like that in another indie engine so far.


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Re: Lawmaker News [Re: Machinery_Frank] #143317
07/29/07 11:26
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Ok we are on a Lawmaker thread .... i can talk a little ...
try to not offend people ....

Well in fact that's very easy , just look at features pages of Lawmaker and features pages of 3DGS : The differenec is here.
And YES : LAwmaker is lot lot more near to Sandbox editor.

I don't want to rely on thrd party tools: sometimes you don't have the choice...
Some like me just want an ALL-IN ONE a la SandBox editor from Far Cry


so actually if i had a solid game start and a Next Gen with big areas ,
I won't spend more moeny to thrid party tools, loose time integrating them , or loos time programming missing tools .
I would take Lawmaker.
149$ edition , show my complete game to the author and make a deal for the price of the pro, caus with a big good game you can only promote the engine !


for casual , little games, no full next gen :
indeed i'll take 3DGS (more appropriated)

I don't say 3DGS will not evolve... perhaps in one/two year it will have the famous tools/panels of LawMaker ... ?
I don't know , but it's like BLitz3D i used at beginning, we needed tools, i made some , and it was very very time consuming , instead on the real goal : that is creating a game

People that like programming a lot it's ok, new betas of 3DGS bring each time lot lot of functions to play with
they can even find lot more advanced things if they program Ogre3D !!

But some like me don't want to play with programming at all, we want to make the game directly with all tools ready to make/improve the game and use script for beahviour only

Make the game .. not program ....

Well ... i stop , don't want to loose mind of any fan that would read my
perverse post

@Frank_G :
You are very good at texturing levels and assets (real AAA , even better than FEAR game levels in some things ) , not tried to work for some real solid commercial team ?
Keep improving

Last edited by TheExpert; 07/29/07 11:27.
Re: Lawmaker News [Re: TheExpert] #143318
07/29/07 13:51
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Thanks TheExpert. I apreciate your kind words. And I agree completetly with you. I remember your words "make contents and artworks first..." and this is actually what I am doing. I try to make the contents and at the end I will start to code the game. And time will come and teach me. I will pick up the tool that suits my needs then.

And I agree to your idea with tools absolutely. If you pay less money for the engine but much more money for external tools then it comes to the same result regarding your budget but even to a worse result if you look at the work-flow.

The sandbox-idea of Crysis is really a very good one and I love to see that Lawmaker comes closer to that with each new update.


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Re: Lawmaker News [Re: Machinery_Frank] #143319
07/29/07 18:36
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@Frank :
"I apreciate your kind words"
It's the truth also , in texture work your do professionnal ones (like all people here that have seen them c, think the same) .

Yeah artwork, and all 3D things first and lot fo originality, game ideas
are what can differentiate your game
caus your game programming won't be revolutionnary (arcade games, FPS , driving etc ...) always same genres or mixes of them nothing incredibly new in gaming area !!

Lot of people here, don't imageine the incredible amount of work if you to make
a next gen game
The time spend on fianize a texture , it's specular channel , and doing research for inspiration on the net, doing more than 30 different
detailled textures for a level ,characters wiht normal/specular maps,
LOD for levels/assets and characters :
is just lot lot LOT INCREDIBLY time consumming .
I don't speak about characters that is a very difficult area to master...
Animations also , next gen effects ....
Some times i think : hwo people can spend so lot of time coding instead of doing 3D art instead ... ?

Caus in 90% of indie cases : there are lot of people playing with 3D engines ( lime me ) , that produce something not visually attractive.
Even old games in PS2 like Ratchet And clank with simple textures are attractives visually

Yes 3D game indie maker should put their time in 3D art making...
Each 3D engine package should have a CD ROM on 3D art making tutorialls , that you should be forced to complete to have acces to the engine
ahahahahahahha

Well i stop talking but all people here should go full 3D art , 2D sketches research : It IS THE MORE IMPORTANT thing in my mind !!

(i'm so passionnated and amazed by what can be done today on games and coming ones (Call Of Duty 4, Too Human ,Mass Effect,Crysis,Metal Gear Solid 4 ... )
that i can't stop some times
.i must really stop talking )

Last edited by TheExpert; 07/29/07 18:38.
Re: Lawmaker News [Re: TheExpert] #143320
08/05/07 10:49
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Why dont you both Frank and Expert make new thread about how much you understand each other and admire each other? Always when you feel like understanding and admiring you then can post in this thread, and this would save a lot of bandwidth because you dont need to post all those lawmaker and BV and whatever threads anymore.

Re: Lawmaker News [Re: Spirit] #143321
08/05/07 12:10
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I stop now


And yeah i should not show how much i respect some people in gaming area,
it's somewhat exagerated indeed.

Go on , have you some news ... (about Lawamker engine , it's a Lawmaker thread ?

Last edited by TheExpert; 08/05/07 12:11.
Re: Lawmaker News [Re: TheExpert] #143322
08/05/07 13:21
08/05/07 13:21
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Spirit: Wa all stopped spamming this thread. I even notified a Moderator to delete a few posts because of that. But you coninued spamming.

But at some degrees I agree with you. We all should write less and work more on our projects (you included ).

Best regards - I have to go back to do my work.


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Re: Lawmaker News [Re: Machinery_Frank] #143323
08/05/07 13:31
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We all should write less and work more on our projects (you included ).



I agree also, but I think it is ok to bring up other engines, I never would have heard about some other engines if it were not for threads like this. And I dont think jcl is really concerned either so I think it is actually good to get some competition, competition is good for anything, so even the fanboys should like it.

I personally like to read other contrary opinions and learn about features that other engines get.



Although I still havent received a download link for my lawmaker test drive request, I plan on posting here or a similar thread if I could ever actually evaluate it.

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