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Daemonica #196470
04/04/06 17:55 04/04/06 17:55

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Daemonica

Hi guys!

Initially, we wanted to make this announcement when our game was available in both english and german language (which should hopefully happen in a couple of days) and kind of surprise the A6 community. But now it seems that some of you damn good detectives ( namely Orange Brat and Wormhole ) beat us to it, so there's no use in remaining silent

Few days ago our game Daemonica hit the US shelves and if things go right, it will happen also in couple of days in Germany. Although the game is usually by its looks mistaken for an rpg believe me when I say that it's actualy an adventure

It has already been published in some other european countries as well - Czech Republic, Poland, Russia and Italy. The majority of the reviews there were really good (with the rating varying from 60% to 80%).

There are also some early reviews available in the US (some can be found at this link ) .

There is a demo available for the game that can be downloaded at our US publisher's website - Meridian4 (you have to be from the USA/Canada i believe) and at some other sites ( Softpedia etc. - those are not restricted in any way)

If you're interested, give it a try and if you like it, be so kind and rate it at any major gaming site (gamerankings.com, gamespot.com etc.) As much as we are pleased by the reviews, what we are really interested in is how the players like it.

( ... and if you like it a lot - buy the game and support us - you will have our eternal gratitude!

)

And now for the most important part of this long, long post:

This would never be possible without the A6 engine. Thanks go to all the Conitec guys - JCL, Doug, Marco and others. Great job!!

The same goes for the wonderful A6 community. There are so many of you that made our work easier by your contributions to the community! It's impossible to name you all so just a few:

TripleX, Ventilator, Steempipe, Orange Brat, George, ello, Matt ... etc. etc.

Thanks guys, I owe you one!

A note for the GERMAN SPEAKING PLAYERS: a localized german version (with german voiceovers) should be coming out probably in couple of days. It is published by Frogster Interactive AG and the localization is (in my opinion) really great...

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Re: Daemonica [Re: ulf] #196530 04/11/06 16:34 04/11/06 16:34
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,305 Damocles Expert
Damocles Expert Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,305	I would check the node closes to the clickpoint, do a trace (or more advanced check) to see if it is reachable. Then let the player follow the path toward the endnode, and check every second or so, if the path could be reached dirctly now, and then go to the target in a straight way. rtsmaker.com

Re: Daemonica [Re: Damocles] #196531 04/11/06 16:49 04/11/06 16:49
Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 1,012 germany, dresden ulf Serious User
ulf Serious User Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 1,012 germany, dresden	yep damocles thanks but you would still move from node to node on a zigzag course or have hard cuts. you can smooth those a little bit with steering shure... i think the more nodes the smoother is the path. thats why iam interested how many of the nodes are used in daemonica and what are the average placement rules (whats a good place for a node?)?

Re: Daemonica [Re: ulf] #196532 04/11/06 17:28 04/11/06 17:28
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 710 T Templar OP Developer
Templar OP Developer T Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 710	Damocles is right, ulf. That is basically what we do (there's little bit more to it, but not much). The real problem is, as you might have guessed, that for a big level you need a huge number of nodes - especially for the outside levels (3-4 per single tree for example) that need to be placed manualy. I tested some ways to make this process semi-automatic and use less nodes. Although some of the results were quite promising, I didn't have enough time to make it work truly reliable. EDIT: as for the short zig-zag turns: no one says that you have to turn immediately (flip) all the way to the next node once you've reached the previous one. You could simply go on and start turning the player. For this however you need to be sure that there is always enough space for him to make the full turn (it has to be rather fast anyway) or, which is the best way, check it if it is possible at all and if not, turn him immediately in the direction of the next node.

Re: Daemonica [Re: Templar] #196533 04/12/06 00:57 04/12/06 00:57
Joined: Aug 2002 Posts: 2,692 California, USA bupaje Expert
bupaje Expert Joined: Aug 2002 Posts: 2,692 California, USA	I'm going to ask a very dumb question but I'm a visual guy, not a programmer, so cut me some slack .... It made me wonder when I read this if it is possible/beneficial to create a 'potential nodes' map by painting say red paths on an bmp around obstacles and so on -like the placement map for trees idea, placed on terrain as a layer- then a player scans this map for the nearest red pixel (which is the path painted on this map) and then builds nodes along this 'path' when needed? This way you wouldn't have to have a huge amount of nodes ahead of time, just build a branch using the 'node placement map' when needed? Don't shoot if it is a wacky idea! Find me at: \|Stormvisions\| Twitter\|

Re: Daemonica [Re: bupaje] #196534 04/12/06 01:04 04/12/06 01:04
Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 3,236 San Diego, CA M Marco_Grubert Expert
Marco_Grubert Expert M Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 3,236 San Diego, CA	@bupaje: I don't think anything is gained by that. You would be using lots of memory for a mostly empty bitmap and searching for red pixels would probably be slower than searching for path nodes.

Re: Daemonica [Re: Marco_Grubert] #196535 04/12/06 02:06 04/12/06 02:06
Joined: Aug 2002 Posts: 2,692 California, USA bupaje Expert
bupaje Expert Joined: Aug 2002 Posts: 2,692 California, USA	Ah, ok. Just a random neuron firing. Thanks. Find me at: \|Stormvisions\| Twitter\|

Re: Daemonica [Re: bupaje] #196536 04/12/06 22:36 04/12/06 22:36
Joined: Jul 2000 Posts: 8,973 Bay Area Doug Senior Expert
Doug Senior Expert Joined: Jul 2000 Posts: 8,973 Bay Area	bupaje: I've seen programmers use this technique. Mostly they use it as a tool for the "non-programmers" to draw what they want to happen. Then a compiler converts the map into nodes that are quicker and take up less space. I don't think they do this much anymore, since even most non-programmers are better at placing nodes then a compiler. Conitec's Free Resources: User Magazine \|\| Docs and Tutorials \|\| WIKI

Re: Daemonica [Re: Doug] #196537 04/13/06 11:34 04/13/06 11:34
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,305 Damocles Expert
Damocles Expert Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,305	Baldurs gate (the infinity engine, dont remember the name), used this approach to define the field of passability. It was just painted "on top" of the actual playground with different colors, of course scaled down. I guess the pathdinding then takes this "picture" to make A* search. The colors also defined, whether the caracters where on the top floor, where the steps are and to on. rtsmaker.com

Re: Daemonica [Re: Damocles] #196538 04/14/06 04:36 04/14/06 04:36
Joined: Aug 2001 Posts: 2,320 Alberta, Canada William Expert
William Expert Joined: Aug 2001 Posts: 2,320 Alberta, Canada	IGN reviewed it - http://pc.ign.com/articles/701/701693p1.html Congrats on the good score. Check out Silas. www.kartsilas.com Hear my band Finding Fire - www.myspace.com/findingfire Daily dev updates - http://kartsilas.blogspot.com/

Re: Daemonica [Re: William] #196539 04/14/06 05:57 04/14/06 05:57
Joined: Aug 2002 Posts: 2,692 California, USA bupaje Expert
bupaje Expert Joined: Aug 2002 Posts: 2,692 California, USA	Thanks for the info guys; don't want to hijack the thread. As for the game congrats again. The review seemed good overall with some solid suggestions of areas that can be tweaked in your next version. Find me at: \|Stormvisions\| Twitter\|

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