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Re: for those who dont believe most gamers have decent video cards
[Re: lostclimate]
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07/02/08 08:09
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because geamedev is a relatively small community (1024 votes...) and not representative. valve's hardware survey is much more interesting, http://www.steampowered.com/status/survey.htmleven though that's only the steam community. i expect the percentage on fx5200 and intel x3100/iGMA chips to be much higher. top 10 of used video cards:
NVIDIA GeForce 8800 166,587 9.37 % #########
NVIDIA GeForce 7600 101,217 5.70 % ######
NVIDIA GeForce 8600 95,619 5.38 % #####
NVIDIA GeForce 6600 79,477 4.47 % ####
NVIDIA GeForce FX 5200 64,704 3.64 % ####
NVIDIA GeForce 7300 59,544 3.35 % ###
ATI Radeon 9600 54,727 3.08 % ###
ATI Radeon 9200 45,585 2.57 % ###
NVIDIA GeForce 7900 44,134 2.48 % ##
NVIDIA GeForce 6200 42,834 2.41 % ##
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Re: for those who dont believe most gamers have decent video cards
[Re: broozar]
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07/02/08 12:13
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How is a gamer defined for each survey? Is there a generally accepted definition for term gamer? If so, how many surveys used it? Was the survey limited to a certain group of gamers? (representative ref -> broozar) What group performed the survey? If the actual root group for the survey can be determined (a big if, maybe), are there any motivating factors or interests which might affect the results? (NVIDIA did not perform that survey.) assumption: As a party taking a stance on the matter, do you have any conflicting interests, or is truth and debate settling / sparking your only aim? To what degree do surveys across domains conflict? What do surveys for users of the 3D Gamestudio product and the forums of that product suggest about user made products, target demographics and gamers as defined, if consistently / typically defined? Is there a generally accepted definition for 3DGS user? If so, and / or not so, why is that conveniently irrelevant?
Never mind. I am convinced. (Although, some machines here are not used by gamers per se, and those machines have cards which support shader model 3+, and those cards are not listed strongly with good frequency.) Well done. The point is well-received. Thank you.
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Re: for those who dont believe most gamers have decent video cards
[Re: broozar]
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07/02/08 16:32
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because geamedev is a relatively small community (1024 votes...) and not representative. valve's hardware survey is much more interesting, http://www.steampowered.com/status/survey.htmleven though that's only the steam community. i expect the percentage on fx5200 and intel x3100/iGMA chips to be much higher. this survey counts me and othe geforce 9 series users as (and many others) "other".
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Re: for those who dont believe most gamers have decent video car
[Re: fastlane69]
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07/03/08 09:48
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OI know exactly which card I have but honestly, not a clue on which shaders it supports. The way I find our shader support has always been the same: buy game, install game, see how pretty it looks, and if it doesn't "look", Upgrade! I have an easier way to find out... *googles*, 3.0! Usually the shader model is in the minimum requirements of the game.
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Re: for those who dont believe most gamers have decent video car
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07/07/08 08:04
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The polls from Steam prove it again and again. Hardcore gamers have the latest graphic cards. They have better hardware than most of you developers. But if you don't want to address hardcore but casual gamers then it can look a bit different. I don't know of any poll asking the usual pc owner about this. And this poll would not work anyway. My parents cannot tell you what hardware they have except they look into the invoice and spell it from that paper  But if my parents buy a new pc then it will have one of the latest graphic cards (but probably not an expensive version of it). You cannot buy something with shader 1.0 in Germany 
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