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Re: Vista Problem [Re: Blade280891] #223955
08/27/08 20:09
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There must be at least a recovery cd, which has a preconfigured version of Vista on it. You can use this as a normal Vista CD.


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Re: Vista Problem [Re: checkbutton] #223958
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@checkbutton no there isnt one with the laptop, it was sent from a pc company as a replacement for my sisters, so we didnt get anything with it, just windows vista pre-installed.


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Re: Vista Problem [Re: Blade280891] #223975
08/27/08 21:26
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I would complain about not having CDs then.


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Re: Vista Problem [Re: PHeMoX] #223984
08/27/08 22:00
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lots of computers dont come with os disks anymore... i dont understand why no one see's that this is a common occurance, usually nowadays computers come with a repair partition, or a backup creation program.

Re: Vista Problem [Re: lostclimate] #223994
08/27/08 22:28
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lots of computers dont come with os disks anymore... i dont understand why no one see's that this is a common occurance,
Yes it is very common. You're right. Sometimes as in the case of hp, you must pay a nominal fee 15-20 usd to have them send you a new OS disk. My friend has just been forced to order one. Also I am a long time user of dell products and they often send the OS disks but not of whatever other software you might have ordered installed. You have to request them specifically. crazy

Of course very very few consumers would actually think to ask if the disks were coming before we order because we tend to just assume that when we buy software that they will actually provide us with the cds.

They know that after a period of time you will need them, but why would they want to send you something if they can possibly avoid it? Think about it. They are trying to get as much money as they possibly can. If they can save pennies on shipping or cd manufacturing then they multiply that over thousands. It is just another way to get nickle and dimed by "the man". wink

So meanwhile you get tied up on the phone explaining your situation to some customer service rep, then you might have to pay a small fee, and definitely will wait a few days or a few weeks.

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but anyway, why did you use VISTA in first place?
There are plenty of reasons to choose Vista over XP, especially if you like a kernal that uses 1.5 gig RAM(vista) as opposed to 500 meg RAM(XP). Or if you like having 13.7 gigs of harddrive being used up(vista) as opposed to 1.4 gigs used by XP. I personally hate resource hogs so Vista is not on my list. Especially considering that many more programs run faster and more efficiently on XP, that dont even run on Vista. Example being: visual c++ 6.0 dont run on vista, while visual studio 2008 does. BUT BOTH visual studio 2008 AND visual C++ 6.0 run on XP.

Then, if you look past all of that the only way I could tolerate vista is if:

1)disable User account control immediately
2)Get rid of all that aero stuff
3)Tune down the OS as much as possible for performance


People that use the excuse that because computers are faster and have more storage nowadays then we can more easily run bloated hogs like vista. Thats like saying that because I have a million dollars that I want to pay too much for things. No. I still expect performance from my OS. Even if I have a fast processor.

Also what about "driver incompatibilities", are you aware of these? I tried to install Norton system works 2003 on a vista sytstem, in the middle of install the installer aborted and threw a "driver incompatibility error". Then the computer quit with a blue screen of death. When I reboot, the same program tried to install, and ran onto the same error. The only thing I could do was comb the whole system for tracks of the incompatible program, the syatem still never ran right. I had to reformat.

And I dont recall ever having a bsod on an XP system.
[end rant]

But Linux is even more stable than XP.

Last edited by TriNitroToluene; 08/27/08 22:47.
Re: Vista Problem [Re: NITRO777] #224007
08/27/08 23:29
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People that use the excuse that because computers are faster and have more storage nowadays then we can more easily run bloated hogs like vista. Thats like saying that because I have a million dollars that I want to pay too much for things. No. I still expect performance from my OS. Even if I have a fast processor.


I totally agree, however if you want DirectX 10 functionality, it's a trade off we've got to live with. At least for now, as I hear Windows 7 is coming sooner rather than later.

As for programs, most older programs I'm using still seem to work quite well, but I guess this is different depending on what you want to run.

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ots of computers dont come with os disks anymore... i dont understand why no one see's that this is a common occurance


Maybe, but in that case I would send the PC back and buy one at a different store. Back-up crap on a harddisk never works when the harddisk fails or dies, which in my opinion is often why you'd want to reinstall the OS.


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Re: Vista Problem [Re: PHeMoX] #224018
08/28/08 00:12
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however if you want DirectX 10 functionality, it's a trade off we've got to live with.
http://windowsaddict.blogspot.com/2008/03/download-directx-10-for-windows-xp.html

http://www.technospot.net/blogs/download-directx-10-for-windows-xp-from-alky-project/

http://www.theinquirer.net/en/inquirer/n...-for-windows-xp

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As for programs, most older programs I'm using still seem to work quite well,
OK. But there are many more programs that dont work on vista, that do on xp.

Re: Vista Problem [Re: NITRO777] #224109
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I'm pretty sure that's not going to work as the basic architecture that handles graphics is quite different from XP. In fact, I wouldn't put much trust in what theinquirer posts at all, there's a lot of stuff that turns out to be wrong on there. Like benchmarks from new 3D cards, release dates and so on, it's more like one big 'rumors be here' site,

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they should be able to play directx 10 compatible games like they play in Microsoft’s Windows Vista


Last time I saw some actual evidence of this, they could still only run an engine that did not actually use much DirectX 10 tech, a spinning cube if I recall correctly. That's hardly the same as if you'd 'play in Microsoft's Windows Vista'.

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Re: Vista Problem [Re: PHeMoX] #224117
08/28/08 16:09
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Last time I saw some actual evidence of this, they could still only run an engine that did not actually use much DirectX 10 tech, a spinning cube if I recall correctly. That's hardly the same as if you'd 'play in Microsoft's Windows Vista'.
Please show me actual evidence, I dont want to hear about some friggin spinning cube you think you heard about somewhere, you should know by now that I hate speculation. There is plenty of evidence that crysis runs better on XP, including this article. Contrary to the amount of evidence you have given in this thread which is zero.

http://blogs.pcworld.com/gameon/archives/005814.html
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In any event, the truth is that Crysis does look appreciably better with the above tweaks running under XP, and there's no way Crytek or Microsoft are going to be able to pretend that it doesn't. But publicly ignore? Probably.


Its common sense really, XP handles its resources better, not perfect, but better.

As far as I am concerned though, I wish we could just all go to linux systems. This paradigm of forcing users to upgrade to a crappier OS just to use newer software is a monopoly.

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2007/06/25/vista-only_game_doesn_t_need_vista/1

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Re: Vista Problem [Re: NITRO777] #224119
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Originally Posted By: TriNitroToluene
As far as I am concerned though, I wish we could just all go to linux systems. This paradigm of forcing users to upgrade to a crappier OS just to use newer software is a monopoly.


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