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Male template #223302
08/23/08 10:54
08/23/08 10:54
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This is an template I just finished. I will base all my male models to this template, or construct suits and assesories to this body. Hands and feet are not done, since I normally add them after deciding what type of shoes and gloves I will add (easier to do them spot-on rather than over the "skin" at least and with shoes, I hardly ever put the toes or other parts visible with the model). He has no head either. This is because I will always model heads separately. Every face is different so it's easy to just append and put on rather than remove, redo, remove, redo wink



If you want this quicky-doo base please PM me with reason and project you will use it, I will contribute this later (when our project is done), but cannot do that now, because it will still go trough alot of alterations and corrects.

I will update this thread (and this post) with finished models.


Last edited by Inestical; 08/23/08 11:06.

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Re: Male template [Re: Inestical] #223305
08/23/08 11:40
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Try to optimize the meshflow and the polygoncount for a template your should try to make as low poly as possible otherwise youre not gonna speed up further modelling of characters. There are some rules in modelling characters that will make your life easier try do to the arms and legs 8-9 quads in scope and don't forget the muscles.

Re: Male template [Re: sebcrea] #223313
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Well.. I know all the rules, but please note that everything I will do, will be added OVER it and normally huge metal armors don't allow visible muscles wink


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Re: Male template [Re: Inestical] #223324
08/23/08 14:02
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You don't know anything otherwise it would be better, arrogance will not help you the create someting good. Iam sick of people that are not able to make something very basic and don't listen to advices just coming out and tell us how great they are, where in reality they are far from any experience. If you don't need any advice then don't post something, Iam happy about every advice I can get to optimize my stuff.

All those senseless excuses are really getting old try something new at best some better stuff.

Re: Male template [Re: sebcrea] #223327
08/23/08 14:20
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There are some rules in modelling characters that will make your life easier try do to the arms and legs 8-9 quads in scope and don't forget the muscles.
What do you mean by that? 8-9 quads in scope?

I thought the model looks pretty good for a template. Definitely not professional but good for any game. I think you should elaborate a little more about what he should do to improve it.

One thing he absolutely did do correctly was keep it in quads. That way there will be no problems if someone wants to subdivide it later in zbrush or other displacement. So if he were to optimize the model now, any subsequent subdivisions might make an unfixable high-res mesh.

You could also retopologize the model with much less polys. Having a good form such as this one would be a good model for retopolization. Anyone could use blender's retop tools to make a lower poly version.

I think it is pretty good.

Re: Male template [Re: NITRO777] #223333
08/23/08 14:50
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You mean it is good for 3dgs standards, what about posting it at cg talk where people really only put stuff they invested alot of effort and even then get just a few anwsers. But it seems to be a problem for alot of people here in the forum to take advices. They mostly say they know it all but most of the stuff they show us is not up to the standards 5 years ago.

He said he know all the rules, if he would use them all he would make better models in a less amount of time and what he shows here only proves that a already learned that quads are the way to go.

Re: Male template [Re: sebcrea] #223334
08/23/08 15:00
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But it seems to be a problem for alot of people here in the forum to take advices. They mostly say they know it all but most of the stuff they show us is not up to the standards 5 years ago.
I agree. But some people on this forum dont listen at all comparitively. I dont think that is the case with Inestical, this model is useable.

Judging by your work I would say that anyone here should listen to your advice. Thats why I said in the last post that you could be more specific. I still dont know what you mean by 8-9 quads in the arms and legs.

Re: Male template [Re: NITRO777] #223335
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I agree that he should not say "I know all the rules" when someone is trying to help.

Re: Male template [Re: NITRO777] #223347
08/23/08 15:39
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there are too many polygons unecessary ,
specially for real time game.

Take example on an AAA game that show a good example of well used polygons "Gears Of War" :

Gears Of War 3D Model Wireframe

Re: Male template [Re: ratchet] #223353
08/23/08 16:13
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I've been working on a template recently as well. My template is aimed more towards a sculpting base so you dont see any definate face yet, but as you'll see there is still a muscular structure there. the muscles wont always be visible directly but the structure isnt 100% about what you can see as much as its about how it deforms for animation. right now my template can have a rig attached to it, set the rig to bone heat, and viola, its all set, no bother for changing effects of different vertex groups etc. it deforms perfect. You character shows good proportion for a realistic human but I really would think about the idea of add a bit of a structure too him. On my pic ive done a quick redline to show the flow of the musculature, and and hope you'll attempt to envision how that would deform. Ratchet is of course right, it is very polygon heavy, I'd take a look at trying to reduce some in the torso (probably 4 or 5 edgeloops both vertically and horizontally. and on the arms greatly, you only need probably 5-8 vertices around the arm with the "extruded edgeloop" technique that you seem to be using. overall, the model has some good form, but the actual topology of the model needs some work.




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