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Re: Game Model (C&C Request) [Re: Germanunkol] #230431 10/05/08 14:19 10/05/08 14:19
Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 1,550 United Kingdom indiGLOW OP Serious User
indiGLOW OP Serious User Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 1,550 United Kingdom	When I get my new PC setup properly I will revisit this model. Thanks for the nice words and comments. I am starting to think about how to set the model up for use in game, especially for the 3rd person representation of actual players. I am unsure if I should be using GS bones or mesh animations. Ultimatly the only way to achieve any kind of IK would be through GS bones, but the lengthy time to rig and animate each character is a definate downside. Any suggestions or experienced ideas on how to approach this would be greatly appreciated. I am thinking that a combination of mesh animations and GS bone rigging would be the best, but can bone animations be stored externally? Thanks in advance for any help The Art of Conversation is dead : Discuss

Re: Game Model (C&C Request) [Re: indiGLOW] #230457 10/05/08 16:35 10/05/08 16:35
Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 4,771 Bay City, MI lostclimate Expert
lostclimate Expert Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 4,771 Bay City, MI	it is difficult to tell what you should do, and the decision all comes down to you. most of the time rigging is much quicker in the long run either way. doesnt mean you have to export the rig, but whatever native modeling program your using should be able to bake rigging somehow (hopefully) the question about whether to use GS bones is this, do you want to go for ease (vertex animation) or complexity w/extra power (bones).

Re: Game Model (C&C Request) [Re: lostclimate] #230640 10/07/08 10:35 10/07/08 10:35
Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 1,550 United Kingdom indiGLOW OP Serious User
indiGLOW OP Serious User Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 1,550 United Kingdom	Originally Posted By: lostclimate do you want to go for ease (vertex animation) or complexity w/extra power (bones). Thats exactly the point lostclimate To be at all acceptable / competative with current game trends we will need to support some core features such as rag-doll and realtime IK. But due to the way GS can mix vertex and bone anims (I believe), it is not a choice of A or B, instead a blend of the two. My concern is workflow. While producing a single game model prototype is acceptably a slower more time consuming process, once the prototype is signed off we will need an effecient pipeline. Our native modeling environment is 3DsMax, which we have many years of experience using, but with no clear or workable pipeline to get bones from max into GS, some development, i.e game-bone rigging, is considerably time consuming. I know that the decisions we make here with the prototype can have considerable impact when production is ramped up. So if bones and mesh anims can be combined, especially when using 3DsMax, what would be the best workflow? Are there ways to duplicate the bone rigs in MED? How does this affect the models topology, do you have any advice in this respect? Much appreciated The Art of Conversation is dead : Discuss

Re: Game Model (C&C Request) [Re: indiGLOW] #230741 10/08/08 07:41 10/08/08 07:41
Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 3,023 The Netherlands Helghast Expert
Helghast Expert Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 3,023 The Netherlands	Originally Posted By: indiGLOW Originally Posted By: lostclimate do you want to go for ease (vertex animation) or complexity w/extra power (bones). Thats exactly the point lostclimate To be at all acceptable / competative with current game trends we will need to support some core features such as rag-doll and realtime IK. But due to the way GS can mix vertex and bone anims (I believe), it is not a choice of A or B, instead a blend of the two. My concern is workflow. While producing a single game model prototype is acceptably a slower more time consuming process, once the prototype is signed off we will need an effecient pipeline. Our native modeling environment is 3DsMax, which we have many years of experience using, but with no clear or workable pipeline to get bones from max into GS, some development, i.e game-bone rigging, is considerably time consuming. I know that the decisions we make here with the prototype can have considerable impact when production is ramped up. So if bones and mesh anims can be combined, especially when using 3DsMax, what would be the best workflow? Are there ways to duplicate the bone rigs in MED? How does this affect the models topology, do you have any advice in this respect? Much appreciated export to FBX -> Import MED; Bones! it's really that easy, you just need A7 (or get the trial, models of A7 are A6 compatible :P). regards, Formerly known as dennis_fantasy Portfolio - http://www.designorhea.com/ Project - http://randomchance.cherrygames.org/

Re: Game Model (C&C Request) [Re: Helghast] #230748 10/08/08 09:30 10/08/08 09:30
Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 1,550 United Kingdom indiGLOW OP Serious User
indiGLOW OP Serious User Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 1,550 United Kingdom	Sorry, are you saying that FBX import into MED (A7) allows for the import of Max Bones? Such as Biped rigs or custom bone rigs? This would be most excellent news The Art of Conversation is dead : Discuss

Re: Game Model (C&C Request) [Re: Helghast] #230749 10/08/08 09:33 10/08/08 09:33
Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 264 Michigan,USA alienheretic Member
alienheretic Member Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 264 Michigan,USA	for those of you reading this thread just in case no one has found this out yet if you have multiple models in max each with there own skin mod for example lets say i have a character and his clothes as seperate meshes both rigged to same body bones export to fbx and import to med does not work! you will only import 1 skined mesh and other mesh will not be skined (why this is i dont know however) there is a fix at http://www.unwrap3d.com in the downloads section there are plugins for max for u3d file format install those plugins and export your model to u3d then in unwrap (unwrap3d exports bones as meshes also as well as bones) you select the model by selecting the materials then select invert and click edit/delete this removes the bone meshes then export that to fbx and then it will import to med correctly i have done this multiple times without any issues if someone knows a better way please post it! otherwise you can email me if you need help or if i didnt explain something corectly alienheretic@gmail.com email alienheretic@gmail.com my store http://www.reigniv.com/vstudio/ my music http://www.reigniv.com/

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