I heard both sides, and I definitely believe the girl. She was not falling and it was not a graze. It is horrible thing he did, and if anyone thinks it is no big deal, then I suggest you go into a biker bar and put your hand on one of their old ladies and see what happens. This was an innocent 12 year old girl and his own daughter which makes it even worse.

Another difference between the Minister of Evangelism /Deacon Dean Stone and the pastor Dan Silverman is that Dean got serious time and Dan got minimal time. The 5 years of probation is something, but in another blog the Silverman family was saying the reason for the protective order against Dan was fear for their lives and even another place said that his daughter thought her dad (Dan) was going to kill her. Now, if there's any truth to any of that, then him getting out in 18 months cannot be comforting for the victim(s). But the girl will never be the same after her own Dad doing that (assuming he did - can't seem to buy the whole conspiracy thing Dan was formulating in his War and Peace novelizing - or so it seemed).

Please do not discuss Dan's charge/sentence anymore. Continuing this discussion will lead to a ban. This thread is about an other topic anyway.

Dan got less time because of the difference in the charges. I really think if he had not retracted his confessions, admitted his guilt and at least pretended to be sorry that he may have gotten off with just probabtion. He did not fool the judge. As a matter of fact the judge called Dan's bluff and gave Dan another chance to change his plea to not guilty and go to trial, but Dan refused. No the girl will never be the same, but if Dan would at least take responsibility for his actions and be remorseful for what he has done, then his family could begin to heal...and so could Dan.

Sorry, saw the last post after I already posted.

Rose, I saw that smitty got banned earlier (by Lukas) because of their "attacks on Dan Silverman." Apparently this is a circle of friends that will defend him to the bitter end, and even ban somebody. Wow. I only thought folks might want to know why he's not responding to our emails etc.
Okay, Lukas. We'll stop. You win.
Back to the Human Body discussion. (enjoying the posts by the way)....

no, the point is that topics unrelated to DAN are being used to discuss about him.

Gosh, sorry to hear about all of this.

I admit that i was hoping he would post here and i could refute, but oh well.

This event and his fall from faith must be related for sure. Hopefully prison treats him better than life did.



In any event, I wish you all the very best in life. thanks for talking and for sharing. i hope i answered all your questions, but if not let me know.

and please remember, i don't ever hate any atheist's, because i was once you and totally understand your points of view. you all have great potential.
ran

Michael, It's been erased now, but it was cached on Google. Here is Lukas' own words pasted right here:
#279112 - Today at 17:31 Re: just ignored smitty [Re: sPlKe]

Lukas
Programmer
Serious User

Registered: 05/13/07
Posts: 1043
Loc: Germany To clarify this: I really banned smitty. Not just because of the PMs but because he attacked Dan.
EDIT: or she...


Edited by Lukas (Today at 17:32)
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So, Lukas banned smitty because of their attack on Dan.
Enuf said. Carry on with the discussion.

Thanks, Ran Man for the posts. It's been a good read.
I wasn't trying to hijack the discussion. Forgive a breech of etiquette/professionalism.