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Re: Lunar Landing hoax.. [Re: PHeMoX] #287968
09/03/09 13:32
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Still funny that Holland has a fossilized Tree, and did not noticed it for so long wink

Re: Lunar Landing hoax.. [Re: Damocles_] #288254
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Just out of curiosity where do you guys think the USSR was while the USA was faking this? Don't you think they'd have had a field day pointing out the hoax when it happened? Anyone with decent radio equipment could have figured out where the signal was coming from and the Soviets certainly could have proved it if we were relaying the signals from another source as could almost every country with any kind of radio technology at all.

Get real.

Re: Lunar Landing hoax.. [Re: mperdue] #288322
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Conspiracy theories are entertainment for the masses.
So everyone can feel like an expert (after seeing a
Michael Moore film for example)

Its not about the truth in the facts, it about
entertainment and selfdefinition.

Just like defineing oneself with clothes, fahsion, music.styles etc.

Re: Lunar Landing hoax.. [Re: mperdue] #288473
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Originally Posted By: mperdue
Just out of curiosity where do you guys think the USSR was while the USA was faking this?


True, but you could also look at it from yet another different angle though, as the USA always made it look like it was an actual race. Why didn't the USSR go to the moon when the USA already succeeded? I'm thinking there are a whole bunch of reasons why they didn't.

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Don't you think they'd have had a field day pointing out the hoax when it happened?


I'm also sure they did check all known data and pictures and examined the 'success'. Guess they figured the USA really did land there indeed, but it's not like it would have any true benefit for them to make the space programs look even closer to impossible. wink

I'm not so sure if it would be all over the state controlled news even if they would have concluded such.

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Anyone with decent radio equipment could have figured out where the signal was coming from and the Soviets certainly could have proved it if we were relaying the signals from another source as could almost every country with any kind of radio technology at all.


It's perhaps not quite that easy. You can do pretty cool things bouncing signals that would also clearly seem to have 'come from' the moon.

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Still funny that Holland has a fossilized Tree, and did not noticed it for so long


Yes I agree, but it's also a fossil that hasn't moved it's place in many many years. It's not that crazy to think the moon rock was switched (stolen) years ago, but I think it was Armstrong who not that long ago said something about many 'moon rocks' being fakes. I guess that's why they were investigated in the first place. wink


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Re: Lunar Landing hoax.. [Re: PHeMoX] #289975
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Apparently it is not as if they have not gone to the moon since,
the problem was that the first one was (supposedly) faked to be able to win the race with the Russians.


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Re: Lunar Landing hoax.. [Re: pararealist] #291442
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Lately we got gist on the mills of the hoax theories again:
That Indian probe that crashed / malfunctioned under strange conditions still could deliver some interesting data before going offline. The moon seems to have "high" amounts of water & ice. Currently it's said that in 1 m³ of "moon dust" you can find about 1 liter of water...

That's quite something as for NASA and its decades of moon research there simply is nothing like that...

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Re: Lunar Landing hoax.. [Re: Toast] #291444
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The collected moon rocks where not fully sealed after beeing probed.
Thats why scientists could not assign the water vapor
as part of the rock, as they just did not know if it was
from handeling it on earth or from the actual probe.

So there could not have been provable statements about water
(regarding the collected rocks)

Re: Lunar Landing hoax.. [Re: Damocles_] #291474
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Yeah that's the official explanation but does anyone here have some indepth-facts about this. Or in other words: Lead the water to the assumption that the containers were leaking?

Everything I read explained it in a way saying: "Oh we've got water in there - this can't be. Ergo: The containers had to be leaking"...

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Re: Lunar Landing hoax.. [Re: Toast] #291485
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If the stones where not vacuum sealed right away, but
only put into a box during the mission,
any gas / vapor components are inconclusive.

Here a picture of the sameple box
http://history.nasa.gov/alsj/tools/tools48.jpg




also, if moon would have 1 liter water per 1 cubicmeter of soil
that woul be 0,1% of the soil beeing water.
And thats too much to be belivable...


Re: Lunar Landing hoax.. [Re: Damocles_] #291492
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The question simply is : Did the scientists say "Oh we found water - those containers had to have a leakage!" or did they say upon opening things "Oh we didn't have a vacuum!". In every report I read it was phrased like the first way is the way it was but I now would like some actual evidence for that...

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also, if moon would have 1 liter water per 1 cubicmeter of soil
that woul be 0,1% of the soil beeing water.
And thats too much to be belivable...

Why isn't that believable? Here a quote from here:
http://www.tagesschau.de/ausland/mondforschung100.html
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Unklarheit herrscht noch über die Quantität des Wassers auf der Mondoberfläche. Die Wissenschaftler gehen aber von kleineren Mengen aus. Eine Tonne Bodenmaterial könnte etwa einen Liter Wasser enthalten, glauben die Forscher. Zum Vergleich: In Erdgestein kann der Gehalt um das Hundertfache höher liegen.

I now of course don't know what exactly "the moon is made of" so I can't really tell if this 1t <-> 1m³ is a right conversion...

Enjoy your meal
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